Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Holy Orthodox Metropolis of Australia & Oceania


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. It could not be shown that the subject is notable.  —&#8288;Scotty Wong &#8288;— 23:49, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Holy Orthodox Metropolis of Australia & Oceania

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The subject does not meet WP:NCHURCH. I have not found anything about this denomination. Its OrthodoxWiki article and older versions of the WP article have an official website, but it is now dead. The article was created in 2013, and no source on it seem to have ever been provided on the WP article. Therefore, I think this article should be deleted for its clear lack of notability and lack of WP:Verifiability. Veverve (talk) 02:21, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. Veverve (talk) 02:21, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Oceania-related deletion discussions. Veverve (talk) 02:21, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Veverve (talk) 02:21, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - I've added a ref, the only one I could find, but its a passing mention rather than being the focus of the article. Fails GNG. --IdiotSavant (talk) 22:54, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep -- This appears to be something superior to an archdiocese of a small denomination. It is not just a local church.  We almost invariably keep articles at this level, even for splinters with multiple congregations.  In this case there appear to be 6 in Australia and 4 elsewhere, claiming to be supervised from Greece, rather than Constantinople.  However, I would not oppose merger, if someone can point to another article covering much the same ground.   Peterkingiron (talk) 13:01, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * This appears to be something superior to an archdiocese of a small denomination: according to which RS? And which denomination? Veverve (talk) 14:21, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  03:10, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep There is sufficient available to show that the subject EXISTS (ie the described entity used to exist), but there is not enough that I can readily find to satisfy GNG.  However, there is also evidence that it was multiple congregations, and that it was a small but significant part in the history of Greek orthodoxy in the region.  It should be a redirect to a section in something like History of Greek orthodoxy in Oceania, but such an article does not exist.  The article itself is not misleading, and could be improved very slightly, and AfD is not about cleanup, so until there is a proper History of Greek orthodoxy in Oceania for it to be redirected to, it should stay. Aoziwe (talk) 08:26, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 * there is also evidence that it was multiple congregations, and that it was a small but significant part in the history of Greek orthodoxy in the region what RSs are you relying on? Veverve (talk) 19:45, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 * For example, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here.  While there might be some question about the reliability and point of view in the detail in the two latter sources, they do support ... a small but significant part ....  I am not claiming GN or SN from these, just that there is content here that should not be deleted at this time.  Aoziwe (talk) 12:11, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
 * First (orthochristian) is WP:PASSINGMENTION, second (orthodoxchristiantheology) is a personnal WP:BLOG, third (adelaidenow) is PASSINGMENTION, fourth (aulocalsearch) is a directory of any association registered in Australia, fifth (greekherald) makes no mention of this denomination, sixth (neoskosmos) gives a small mention (a few details are given), seventh and eight (gocia) are a personnal BLOG. In total, you have one WP:RS giving a small coverage of this denomination 10 years ago. This does not support WP:NCHURCH to me, and by far. Veverve (talk) 17:53, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I think we in part are in furious agreement. I stated that I was claiming neither GN nor SN.  I think there is encyclopaedic value here and it needs to be kept somewhere.  Aoziwe (talk) 09:41, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete or Redirect This can't be an article on its own.  It exists, and there is nothing else there. If you can find consensus to add at least one referenced sentence about their schism on Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of Australia then it's fine as a redirect, otherwise it should be deleted.  It's not notable; just because a group of people call themselves an archdiocese does not mean they meet the Wikipedia SNG. User:力 (powera,  π,  ν ) 04:09, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Continued: if there ever was an encyclopedic values to this subject, there would be some RSs talking about it at lenghth. Currently, there is only one RS that discusses it barely enough for it not to be a PASSINGMENTION. Veverve (talk) 17:38, 27 January 2022 (UTC)


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