Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Holy Trinity Ukrainian Orthodox Cathedral


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The result was keep. Cabayi (talk) 06:54, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Holy Trinity Ukrainian Orthodox Cathedral

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Church is not in and of itself notable, only being mentioned on the church's own website and in some very small photo captions on the Winnipeg Free Press. I was able to find one opinion piece on the Ukranian Christian community that mentions the cathedral in passing, but this doesn't provide much content outside of the fact that it exists. Proposing a deletion or possible merger with the page for Vancouver (even then I don't think it's particularly worth mentioning nor is it notable enough to grant much content). Deku link (talk) 05:40, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of British Columbia-related deletion discussions. Deku link (talk) 05:40, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. Deku link (talk) 05:40, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 09:31, 28 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep. It would be very hard for any church designated a cathedral not to be notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:32, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * It seems to be giving it a good try in this case, though. I'm finding it hard to discover supporting sources for a history that is only on the church's own WWW site.  The tourist guides all point to the WWW site, and I don't think that "serves good pierogi on Fridays" is encyclopaedic.  The only real source that I've turned up so far is Exploring Vancouver: The Architectural Guide which doesn't go into the history much, except to explain that for the majority of its lifetime this has not in fact been a cathedral. Uncle G (talk) 09:54, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Little church articles have come up for deletion before, and will again. I find it hard to believe that a unique piece of public architecture serving a community since 1949 is not notable. But then, notability is based on sources, not inherent qualities of things: Ukrainian church architecture is well documented on the Canadian Prairies, but not so much in BC. Maybe we need Ukrainian church architecture in Canada or List of Ukrainian churches in Canada, or some such, to capture these in a broader topic. —Michael Z. 16:02, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Found some stuff. Here’s an architecture guide with a full entry and photo:
 * It also appears in a number of travel guides, and is mentioned in Kalman 1978, Exploring Vancouver 2: Ten Tours of the City and its Buildings, revised ed., p 180. The architect (Тимошенко Сергій Прокопович) is notable by an entry in the Encyclopedia of Ukraine: “Tymoshenko, Serhii.” This book mentions the architect in several places, and calls this church one of “the most noteworthy of the churches in Canada”:
 * —Michael Z. 17:04, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: I have just edited and removed/reworded parts to clean up a promotional tag that still stood. I may have affected the notability. Sennecaster   ( What now? ) 22:28, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep -- If this were not a cathedral, I would unhesitatingly have voted to delete as a NN local church. Ukrainian Orthodox appears to be a small denomination in Canada with three dioceses and a total membership of nearly 90,000.  If the decision is not to keep, it should be merged to the Ukrainian Orthodox Eparchy of Western Canada, which is the diocese, of which this is one of two cathedrals.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:05, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep as it is recognised as a historically important building as shown here List of heritage buildings in Vancouver, and such buildings are usually included. Also, reliable book sources have been identified in this discussion so deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 23:28, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep -- If this were not a cathedral, I would unhesitatingly have voted to delete as a NN local church. Ukrainian Orthodox appears to be a small denomination in Canada with three dioceses and a total membership of nearly 90,000.  If the decision is not to keep, it should be merged to the Ukrainian Orthodox Eparchy of Western Canada, which is the diocese, of which this is one of two cathedrals.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:05, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep as it is recognised as a historically important building as shown here List of heritage buildings in Vancouver, and such buildings are usually included. Also, reliable book sources have been identified in this discussion so deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 23:28, 2 May 2021 (UTC)


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