Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Homeland (Cory Doctorow novel)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to Little Brother (Cory Doctorow novel).  MBisanz  talk 00:30, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Homeland (Cory Doctorow novel)

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This is a clear cut case of WP:TOOSOON. There is a lack of independent and reliable sources for this book to show that it's ultimately notable at this point in time. It doesn't release until February of 2013 and the sources I could find via a search are not the type that you can use to show notability. There's fan pages and non-usable blog entries, as well as very brief mentions of the book in a few places, but nothing that would show that this as of yet unreleased book meets notability guidelines. PROD was removed with the rationale of WP:OBVIOUSLYNOTABLE. Tokyogirl79 (talk) 04:09, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. Tokyogirl79 (talk) 04:12, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions. Tokyogirl79 (talk) 04:13, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Weak Keep. Looks like a real book that will, in fact, come out. Needs a lot of work, however. LogicalCreator (talk) 06:54, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:CRYSTAL. The world could end before this non-notable book ever comes out.  And then in a couple of thousand years, when extraterrestrials visit the Wikipedia servers, they'll wonder why we ever had an article about this book in the first place. Qworty (talk) 04:25, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment: WP:ITEXISTS isn't a valid argument to keep a book or really any article. You have to show that the book is notable by providing in-depth coverage in multiple independent and reliable sources. That just doesn't exist at this point in time. There are a few places publishing excerpts, but that's not the same thing as someone publishing an article that discusses the book in-depth. As Qworty said, anything can happen between now and the book's publication. The book could be pushed back. The author might decide to scrap the entire thing and re-write it. A fire could burn any existent copies of the book. The publisher might decide to drop the project. All of these are things that have actually happened to various authors and their books over the years. We can't say "this will release and it will obviously be notable" because we don't know if it will release and we don't know if it will be notable. There are many books released by very notable authors that never get enough coverage to merit an article. Saying that it will is pretty much WP:CRYSTAL because you can't guarantee that it will.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 07:00, 22 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SarahStierch (talk) 05:29, 29 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Little Brother (Cory Doctorow novel) for now and merge in any useful information. This book is the sequel of a notable book, but it isn't notable in itself yet. Bovlb (talk) 23:31, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge per Bovlb. Bearian (talk) 17:07, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.