Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Homes for the Homeless (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep. Of note is that while some commentary has dismissed some of the sources as not being usable to establish notability, overall consensus, relative to the overall strengths of the arguments and overall commentary presented herein is for the article to be retained. For example, a user dismissed one of the sources as unusable to establish notability, but then later !voted for the article to be kept, using a guideline-based rationale. The nominator also questioned the sources in a blanket statement, but did not provide analysis of each individual source. Conversely, while AfD is not a vote or vote count, a satisfactory amount of users have stated that there are enough usable reliable sources that provide independent, significant coverage to satisfy notability requirements, countering the nomination for deletion. North America1000 06:12, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Homes for the Homeless
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Fails to meet WP:NCORP. The argument and references presented in the prior AfD fails to demonstrate that this organization has been the subject of multiple, reliable, significantly independent, in-depth secondary coverage by wide audience media coverage, per the notability requirements for organizations and companies.

The "book" cited was a court proceeding/publication, which is a document of public processes, not a secondary coverage. Some of the reliable sources that mention this thing only do so in passing. I recommend deletion. Graywalls (talk) 21:33, 8 May 2020 (UTC) I cleared out some things in the article and the sources, because while those sources were reliable and what they said, they were generic comments about homelessness that doesn't relate to the organization and doesn't have contextual connection. Graywalls (talk) 07:53, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Graywalls (talk) 21:33, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 23:17, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

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<ol> <li> The book notes: "Homes for the homeless In 1986 Leonard N. Stern founded Homes for the Homeless to offer hope to New York City's homeless mothers and children. Founded on Stern's belief that inadequate education is the root cause of homelessness, this private nonprofit group built the American Family Inns—transitional housing wherein residents receive education, job training, and services ranging from counseling to summer camps. In most traditional shelters, families must go elsewhere for such services. American Family Inns collaborate with community health care providers to provide on-site prenatal and pediatric care, dental care, immunizations, and preventive medicine. The Inns' family reunification program and two crisis nurseries are the only programs of their kind in New York State. These two programs focus on reuniting foster care children with their familieis and preventing foster care placement. ... The four American Family Inns in New York City serve over 540 families every day. Each family has a unique service plan that considers the family's individual and collective past, and its goals for the future. A caseworker helps each parent and child within the family develop and pursue short- and long-term personal goals. Each caseworker counsels twenty families in individual weekly sessions. After a family moves into permanent housing, follow-up programs provide postplacement services for up to eighteen months. Homes for the Homeless reported in 1996 that 94 percent of all families who graduate from American Family Inns remain in permanent housing." The book notes on page 100: "Homes for the Homeless A private nonprofit organization that is the nation's largest single provider of residential education services to homeless families. Its American Family Inns transitional housing facilities serve homeless mothers and children in New York City."</li> <li> The article notes: "Homes for the Homeless (HFH) was founded in 1986 by businessman Leonard N. Stern (who made his fortune developing the Hartz Mountain pet supply business begun by his father and later in extensive real estate development in the New York metropolitan area) in collaboration with the Cathedral of St. John the Divine and the City of New York. Operating in close conjunction with the Institute on Children and Poverty, a research organization, HFH is the nation's largest provider of residential, educational, and employment training centers, serving over 540 homeless families and over 1,100 homeless children each day at four separate sites across New York City. Dubbed American Family Inns, these sites host a network of on-site education, employment, and family support services that address the multiple causes of homelessness. The book under review serves as a convincing rationale for this Tier II shelter approach to the problem of homelessness, at least in so far as it concerns families with children."</li> <li> The editorial notes: "Leonard Stern's Homes for the Homeless This week marks the 20th anniversary of Homes for the Homeless, the nation’s largest provider for homeless families. The tragedy of homelessness so often proves intractable despite the best intentions of local and federal governments. Thousands of children, whose average age may be no more than six years old, still sleep in New York City homeless shelters on any given night. Homes for the Homeless has proven that there is a way out of the cycle with its innovative residential, educational and training services. Since this magnificent pioneering program was started in 1986 by Leonard Stern, chairman of the Hartz Group, more than 18,000 homeless families and 30,000 homeless children have received emergency transitional housing under its auspices. In addition to housing, Homes for the Homeless offers services necessary to building an independent life: adult education and literacy, job training, accelerated after-school programs, psychological counseling and child care. Its Institute for Children and Poverty conducts the latest research on how trends like welfare reform and gentrification impact homeless families. Not only is the vision vast, the results are solid. Leonard Stern will be honored this week for his humble and dignified stewardship of this remarkable organization, which he alone created more than 20 years ago. He has shown that one man, with courage and compassion, can change the lives of thousands who might otherwise give up hope."</li> <li> The article notes: "The group - formed by the Cathedral of St. John the Divine and Leonard N. Stern, a businessman - said the first shelter or inn will open within six weeks in the building that formerly housed Prospect Hospital in the South Bronx. It will hold 80 families or 300 people in private rooms. ... The not-for-profit group, Homes for the Homeless, will operate its shelters under contract with the city. Mr. Stern, who helped form the group, is its treasurer. The chairman of the group is Basil Paterson, the former Secretary of State of New York and The Rev. James P. Morton, dean of the Cathedral, is the vice chairman. Board members include Ethel Kennedy, Gloria Steinem, and Rabbi Balfour Brickner of the Stephen Wise Free Synagogue in Manhattan. Recently, Mr. Stern has worked closely with Andrew Cuomo, the Governor's son, on other homeless projects, including one called Help I, which will initially provide 420 small apartments as temporary living quarters for homeless families."</li> <li> The book notes: "Homes for the Homeless (HFH) is a New York City-based program designed to find long-term solutions for homeless people in New York. HFH created an innovative and successful program—a network of residential, educational, and employment training centers called the American Family Inns—which has been used as a model for permanent solutions to homelessness. HFH is affiliated with the Institute for Children and Poverty, and together they conduct research studies to uncover strategies for fighting poverty and homelessness."</li> <li> The article notes: "So Nunez left his government job in 1986 to found Homes for the Homeless with a grant from philanthropist Leonard Stern. ... Homes for the Homeless operates four so-called Family Inns throughout the city, serving 555 families. The Family Inn model combines housing with an array of social services to help residents reintegrate into the workforce and move on to regular housing. Walking down the Prospect Family Inn's 'Main Street' corridor, residents are just steps from social workers, a wellness clinic, a day-care center, job training, even advice on starting their own business."</li> <li> The book notes: "American Family Inns The American Family Inns are Residential Educational Training (RET) Centers for the entire family. The Inns were developed by Homes for the Homeless in 1986, with the idea that all necessary services can be cost-effectively and efficiently provided for families, under one roof. Homes for the Homeless believes that to effectively break the cycle of homelessness and poverty, the underlying issues that lead to homelessness all must be addressed (Nunez, 1994). The American Family Inn offers comprehensive educational and training programs, which are supported by on-site services such as child care, family counseling, medical clinics, and substance abuse counseling. Parents are given the opportunity to complete their education, to acquire independent living skills, and to obtain job training before moving into permanent housing. At the same time, their children’s education, recreation, and health care are assured and any family problems are addressed. American Family Inns tap the potential of the transitional shelters; they turn a long shelter stay into a productive, concentrated period of learning, recovery, and preparation, with all of the needed tools and support available on-site (Nunez, 1994). The success of the American Family Inn demonstrates that shelters need not serve merely as waiting rooms between temporary bouts of housing. As a result of this education-based program (provided at the same cost as operating a traditional shelter in today’s emergency shelter system), 94% of all families who graduate from the American Family Inns remain in permanent housing (Nunez, 1995)."</li> <li> The article notes: "Homes for the Homeless was founded by Leonard Stern in 1985 to provide clean, safe, and humane transitional housing for families. This organization presently has five shelters - entire buildings with tight security and strict guidelines. The shelters are de facto communities where residents can pursue their GED and get day care and counseling in one place until they are ready for permanent housing. This is a great program, and one has to wonder why we are still paying a fortune in tax dollars to house families in seedy motels when that money should be going toward expanding the shelters that work. The city should be donating properties seized in tax liens to Homes for the Homeless. Its Web site is www.homesforthehomeless.com." The article includes quotes from the president of Homes for the Homeless. </li> <li> The article notes: "Homes for the Homeless held its first fund-raising gala this year to mark its 20th anniversary. The organization's five American Family Inns in New York City provide temporary shelter for about a year, with 90% of occupants in permanent housing two years after their inn term ends. The inns are also centers of education, job training, and counseling. On a typical afternoon, a parent is studying for his GED while his teenager is playing in a basketball league and his toddler sister is in daycare. Real estate developer and hotelier Leonard Stern, a major donor to New York University, founded the group in 1986 after he saw some homeless people sleeping in City Hall Park. And he seems to be passing on his commitment to doing good in New York through his daughter, Andrea Stern, a photographer who was the mastermind of the gala."</li> <li> The article notes: "[quote from Leonard Stern] Leonard Stern, chairperson of the HartzMountain Corporation and founder of Homes for the Homeless, the largest single provider of transitional housing and services for homeless families in New York ... In November, the first of 10 families will begin moving from various hostels into a temporary site for Beatrice House, a residential family education centre. The pilot project is a personal tribute to Northey's late maternal grandmother. The concept is modelled after Leonard Stern's New York's Home for the Homeless, established in 1986. Its program of intensive and sustained assistance boasts a 94 per cent success rate of moving families out of hostels and into apartments. The New York project has moved well beyond the emergency mentality surrounding homelessness to provide a long-term strategy, with the leadership and commitment of all levels of government, as well as the non-profit, foundation and corporate worlds."</li> <li> The article notes: "If politicians and goverments feel the need for lessons in banging heads together, they might try Nancy and Alexander Abraham and Leonard Stern. Distressed by bureaucratic delay, the three New Yorkers have taken their own initiative to open shelters. Mr Stern, chairman, of Hartz Mountain, a real estate, pet food and publishing group, set up Homes for the Homeless two years ago. The non-profit organisation has bought so far three buildings with loans guaranteed by Hartz. Together, they house 420 families, or about 1,500 people."</li> <li> The article notes: "A non-profit called “Homes for the Homeless” is booting tenants — including a 99-year-old Holocaust survivor — from its senior citizen housing complex in Manhattan, right around the holidays, The Post has learned. ... The group was founded by pet toy and real-estate honcho Leonard Stern of Hartz Mountain industries, with its principal mission to provide housing for those without. It previously ran a homeless shelter for families at the building for 20 years before shutting it down in 2015 and converting the building into the senior housing facility, which opened last year. The senior center charges about $4,000 for a one-bedroom apartment, but provides three meals a day in a communal dining room and pays the utility bills. ... Homes for the Homeless also operates a housing complex for seniors on Staten Island, as well as three homeless shelters, two in the Bronx and one in Queens."</li> <li> The article notes: "Stern turned outrage into inspiration and founded Homes for the Homeless, a non-profit organization which finds safe and affordable housing for homeless people. Stern's role, as he put it, is to bridge the gap between the people with good ideas and no money and the people with no ideas but lots of money. Homes for the Homeless works with the Cathedral of St. John the Divine. There are two phases to the project. In phase one, homeless people move into family inns. There are now three family inns that house 1,500 people a night. Mr. Stern described a Homes for the Homeless Inn to us."</li> <li> The article notes: "'The reality is that there are a lot of good ideas for the long term, but very few practical solutions for the short term,' said Leonard Stern, chairman of Hartz Mountain Industries and a major real estate developer who has formed Homes for the Homeless, a nonprofit group operating 420 transitional-housing rooms for homeless families. Mr. Stern's program, like more than two dozen other temporary housing projects, is at the center of a controversy among advocates for the homeless, some of whom argue that the temporary programs divert money and volunteer resources from efforts to create permanent, subsidized housing. THE buildings used by Homes for the Homeless include a former Holiday Inn in Queens, a hospital in the Bronx and a nursing home on Staten Island. It is providing day care, an alternative high school for residents who have dropped out, exercise equipment, arts and crafts classes and other programs designed to make families more independent and better able to manage an apartment of their own. It charges $100 a night per family, with the bills paid by city, state and Federal agencies."</li> <li> The article notes: "Despite the opposition of neighbors, a privately run temporary residence for homeless families was opened last week in a four-story building on the south shore of Staten Island. So far, 15 single-parent families have moved into the brown and white brick structure just off the waterfront in Midland Beach, a working-class community that was a resort area in the 1930's. The residence is owned by the Manhattan-based nonprofit organization, Homes for the Homeless. Officials of the organization said about 100 more families are expected to move in within two months, reaching a capacity of up to 350 people. ... After an anonymous caller made threats against the building, officials of Homes for the Homeless asked the police to provide 24-hour protection. For the last two weeks, at least one police car has been parked in front of the building, keeping regular watch. ... Homes for the Homeless bought the building in April for $3.5 million with the aid of Leonard Stern, head of Hartz Mountain Industries and the owner of The Village Voice. The organization received two loans from Chemical Bank totaling $4.5 million for the sale and renovations. The loans were secured by Mr. Stern."</li> </ol>

There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Homes for the Homeless to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 08:05, 17 May 2020 (UTC)</li></ul>
 * Comment Just FYI The second reference fails ORGIND in that it points to a *review* of a book. While the review was written by Lehmann, the *book* was written by the CEO of the topic company - so fails ORGIND. <b style="font-family: Courier; color: darkgreen;"> HighKing</b>++ 13:50, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: Pinging Articles for deletion/Homes for the Homeless participants:, , , , and . Cunard (talk) 08:05, 17 May 2020 (UTC)


 * comment are those items in the list automatically populated from phrase search? Appearing in a list of "organizations to contact" that lists out numerous businesses don't count towards notability. WP:NCORP is the more appropriate standard for companies and non-profits, because this is a category that is especially prone to promotional and public relations editing. See WP:ORGCRIT. "A company, corporation, organization, group, product, or service is notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject. These criteria, generally, follow the general notability guideline with a stronger emphasis on quality of the sources to prevent gaming of the rules by marketing and public relations professionals "Graywalls (talk) 16:14, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - I see lots more sources found. What's with this? We just went through the process, got it up to WP:HEY, it was nominated a second time, and then more sources were found. Bearian (talk) 19:13, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep More than enough references that meet the criteria for establishing notability can be found. From the list posted by Cunard above, references 1, 3 and 5 (didn't bother to check any others) are satisfactory. Topic is notable, meets GNG/NCORP. <b style="font-family: Courier; color: darkgreen;"> HighKing</b>++ 13:50, 21 May 2020 (UTC)


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