Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hometown High-Q (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Keep - even without counting apparent sock votes. -- VS talk 08:02, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Hometown High-Q
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Non-notable local TV show. Entirely original research. Fails requirements for verifiability. Chardish 02:31, 29 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep - Alright let's see here. Non-notable? Tell that to the 13,300 hits it got on the "Google Test". Local TV show? Sure it's "local" but it's locale happens to be in the 22nd largest media market in the United States. Unverifiable? I don't think so. Try the official site:
 * You might be interested in reading these short pieces on why the "Google Test" is a poor argument and why local fame is a poor argument - Chardish 03:47, 29 June 2007 (UTC).
 * Keep. There are actually only 82 unique Google hits, but it does have an IMDB page. eaolson 03:48, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Smerge into KDKA-TV. Of local interest only.  Corvus cornix 03:49, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete or Merge Okay, IMDB is not an assertion of notability. Anyone can have an IMDB page, key grips have their own IMDB pages so that test is irrelevant. Having an IMDB page is equivalent to having a myspace page. Also, using google as a test isn't very reliable either. I would like to see multiple reliable, non-trivial sources that can confirm the notability of this subject. As it stands now, the article is not cited and thus notability is not asserted. The bottom line is that this is a game show between high school students that is broadcast in only one city. There are game shows like this where I live, and they don't merit their own article. -- Cyrus      Andiron   14:26, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, nothing wrong with this article. Lack of sources if a very poor deletion rationale as its so easy to fix. &mdash;Xezbeth 19:43, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete --so find some non-trivial sources. It is not the least obvious that a high school game on a a single TV station will be easy to source. there will be of course the trivial sources from all the neighborhood papers about their high school team appearing, but this is not notability. Of the 13,000 ghits, 11,000 are from kdka.com. DGG 00:20, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, Look at talk page; this discussion already happened. It's a waste of time to bring the same issue up for consideration after less than a year.  Also, the article is quite encyclopedic and the show is increasingly well-know. Cogitocogitare''' 07:22, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Then there should be no problem finding sources that say that the show is increasingly well-known, right? - Chardish 12:41, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure: this link confirms Westfield Insurance spnosorship (http://www.westfieldgrp.com/jsp/about/sponsorships.jsp). These videos can confirm season championship winners (http://video.yahoo.com/video/search?p=hometown+high-q&ei=UTF-8&x=0&y=0) in addition to full video archive available on KDKA's High-Q website itself.  This link can confirm programming information for the Pittsburgh media market (pdf.sharonherald.com/samples/20060609/pages/09_pm__s11.PDF). These links consist of local media or school-based publications reporting about the show (http://www.gatewaynewspapers.com/woodlandprogress/schooldistricts/42511/, http://www.northallegheny.org/schools/nash/GOAL/WEBSITE/grapevine.asp , www.thehamptonnews.net/Issues/April%202007.pdf , www.slshs.org/Awards/index.html ).  Given that all these links were available in the first couple pages of the 723 unique hits for the subject on Google, perhaps we should spend time adding these easily accessible sources to the article rather than reconsidering deletion. Cogitocogitare''' 09:33, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * as I said, neighborhood articles about neighborhoodpeople, and non-encyclopedic lists. DGG 01:30, 1 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Those sources do nothing to indicate notability. Chardish 03:06, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, I agree with Xezbeth: nothing wrong with this article. Weak rationale for deletion. mFillmore13 07:25, 39 June 2007 (UTC)
 * "Nothing wrong with this article" is not an argument which helps anyone to decide why the article should be kept. Explain what makes this local TV show notable.  Corvus cornix 03:32, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * "The Google test, the above links, the sponsorship by a prominent insurance company, and the fact that it's on a very notable tv station (KDKA was the first commercial radio station in the United States) do suggest that this is notable. That said, I reject the notability criterion in any case; wiki is not paper. Moreover, I see no reason why this article should be renominated for deletion when Academic Challenge (Ohio) for example has  never been targeted in spite of the fact that it's a less encyclopedic article in a relatively minor media market.    mFilmore13 01:43, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. Corvus cornix 20:56, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * and agreed that it's just as bad. DGG 01:43, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Keep Seems to be a sufficiently notable show on a definitely notable station. 130.132.143.49 03:02, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I suspect that cultural bias is going on here, because people are making claims that the show's fame in one U.S. city gives the show notability. I need to make the point that notability is universal. For something to be notable, anyone should be able to arrive at the conclusion that it is notable - even someone in Germany or Japan or Morocco. Personally, I wouldn't consider a locally-produced TV game show for high school students in Stuttgart to be notable, so I don't see why we should apply a different standard to an American-produced show. - Chardish 12:16, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * IP's cant vote, usually they are a sock anyway. trey  Sex Me 16:48, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Comment Shouldn't discussion be closed given that we're now on the sixth day? MFillmore13 01:47, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletions.   -- John Vandenberg 19:27, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pennsylvania-related deletions.   -- John Vandenberg 20:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, I've added a few sources to the article. The various newspaper archives have more sources that can be used. John Vandenberg 04:04, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete per nom. trey  Sex Me 16:48, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.