Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Homophobic remarks by celebrities


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   speedy delete. WP:SNOW yandman  12:06, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Homophobic remarks by celebrities

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Sending this straight to AfD, since I don't think prod will cut it. Ignoring the difficulties with defining "celebrities" for a minute, it simply seems to be a long list of controversies with BLP issues. Ironholds (talk) 09:37, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete - I see this as a potentially endless list of out-of-context, disputed comments that could easily create WP:BLP problems by using carefully selected sourced material to paint a skewed picture of a particular person.  I also think it places WP:UNDUE emphasis on one aspect of a particular celebrity's overall career by focussing on their comments on one selected subject to the exclusion of all else.   Celebrities may express opinions about every subject under the sun, but if we allow this, we have to equally allow articles about every other topic that they bother to speak about.   I don't see any usefulness.    Rossrs (talk) 09:47, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep - So far this article only consists of extracts from different Wikipedia articles. Anyone who is interested in the topic of homophobic remarks by celebrities cannot find a compiled list but has to browse the internet for hours and hours. I have been working on this article for two hours already and am nearly finished. Now that the article is considered for deletion, I will not continue to work on it at the moment until Wikipedia has decided whether to delete this article or not. Please let me stress that this article is NOT intended to say which celebrity is homophobic or not but it will just compile incidents that have been widely discussed in the media anyway. Loindepaname


 * Why do you need a list of all homophobic controversies? And if you need such a list why not give it a name more like List of homophobia-related controversies so it can be more expansive and parallel things like List of race riots--T. Anthony (talk) 10:13, 23 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete - These need to be in the context of the speakers. If people really want to collect this information then use something like Category:People involved in homophobia controversies? Stuartyeates (talk) 09:57, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete Material in this can not be strictly based on ascertainable fact. It is all opinion at best, and subject to substantial BLP issues (note "Category:Homophobia" was attached to Joe the Plumber and was determined by consensus to be inapplicable).   It is hard enough to make sure BLP related articles adhere to BLP already -- keeping this is a cesspool for scurrilous and out-of-context (in words and eras) charges.   Not even a close call. Collect (talk) 10:52, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete As pointed out there are several problems with this, for instance, who is a celebrity and what is a homophobic remark? Are any of the people listed truly homophobic and is that implied?  Does anyone care what Mel Gibson shoots his mouth off about anymore? Isn't it perhaps rude to Donna Summer to classify her remarks with his since she made hers in 1983 when people were still talking about putting homosexuals in concentration camps for quarantine? I agree there's a huge BLP issue here.  It makes for interesting reading but it's not encyclopedic, much better to keep this sort of gossipy material in context.  Drawn Some (talk) 10:57, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete - This information is already covered by the celebrities' biographic articles under WP:BLP standards. The homophobia article already completes the overall picture. Article creator wrote "References will be provided whenever possible. Purpose of this article is not to prove which of these celebrities really is or was homophobic ..." which I read as intent to relax WP:V and welcome speculation. Prari (talk) 11:07, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - Per all above.-- SKATER  Speak. 12:05, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment. Note that article's creator has attempted to insert rumour-mongering sourced with one gay-oriented gossip web site into the Alexander Rybak article that has consistently been removed by other editors (myself included). The section (no less) on Rybak in the present article is so watered down it should escape BLP intervention. On the other hand it also probably misses out on notability. Also a creation by same editor is Category:Alleged homophobic remarks by celebrities (speedy deleted on BLP grounds). __meco (talk) 12:51, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions.  —meco (talk) 12:54, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete - this looks like a BLP nightmare. Discuss in the articles on the individual people, if necessary to mention at all. Lady  of  Shalott  13:43, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Transwiki. With some refactoring, the verified quotations might serve as the nucleus for a Wikiquote article.  That is the project that compiles quotations by topic and by person. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 14:20, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Transwiki - a better option than deletion. (Good idea Smerdis of Tlön) Stuartyeates (talk) 19:49, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete Although interesting it's potentially an "attack" article. Note that we don't have Racist remarks by celebrities or Sexist remarks by celebrities and likely for good reasons.--T. Anthony (talk) 09:26, 23 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep - Seriously I don't see what the big deal is. It is not like there are information on this page which are not yet on Wikipedia. When you go to the articles of the respective people you can see the same information there. This article simply compiles all the information together on one page (for LGBT studies). Deleting this article is similar to deleting the article about the Nipplegate event. But this scandal is part of Janet Jackson's career just as having allegedly said these statements about homosexuals is part of these people's careers. Plus, the article does not say whether they really said this or not, it is just a coverage about the controversy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.0.93.194 (talk) 09:57, 23 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete Possible attack article, BLP/POV issues, arbitrary collection. These remarks belong into the individual articles, if they were notable. Hekerui (talk) 10:22, 23 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete This is the kind of article that brings Wikipedia into disrepute. This seems to be only a coatrack and soapbox when it should be neither. -- Banj e  b oi   11:32, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * If you can find a speedy category for this I'd be damn impressed. Ironholds (talk) 11:33, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Db-g10 as this serves to do nothing but highlight negative content, especially on BLPs. If there is anything notable it should be in those biographical articles in context with due weight. Our articles on homophobia and hate speech aren't a list of nitwits who stay dumb things ergo this page is a repository where this content is highlighted and legitimized. -- Banj e  b oi   12:02, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete A serious issue reduced to celebrity trivia. Who allegedly called who an "old queen" backstage one night? --Simon Speed (talk) 22:34, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Every drag queen I've ever known! Lol! -- Banj e  b oi   05:27, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Each instance added to this article would need a secondary source asserting that the remarks are homophobic (that is, the words are not simply quote mining). This is a legal nightmare. What can (and should) be done is to quote anything useful (with sources) on the individual article for each celebrity, and do not claim it to be homophobic (unless quoting a WP:RS). WP just presents the (sourced) facts; we shouldn't add our conclusion, however obvious, that a particular remark is homophobic. Johnuniq (talk) 08:39, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete BLP minefield. Any quotes should be mentioned in an article on the subject where some sort of context can be given for them. &#618;nt&#601;  sv&#603;nsk''  12:31, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete BLP nightmare/minefield as noted by several above. (And who's a celebrity and what's a homophobic remark, and what are the criteria for inclusion, encyclopedic value and if it e.g. turns out that the world has 1M celebrities of which 10% have made an average of 100 homophobic remarks - to some editor's standard - in their life. That a section in the article is devoted to (try to?) claim that what the purpose of the article is not is in itself a sign of its inappropriateness as an encyclopedic entry. (Had I been the first to notice this, I would probably had gone for speedy delete.) Tomas e (talk) 14:32, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: I love the nomination: "straight to AfD". LOL. Bearian (talk) 18:45, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I was a bit unhappy nobody else spotted that :P. Ironholds (talk) 19:41, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.