Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Honda Campus All-Star Challenge


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. ✗ plicit  00:09, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Honda Campus All-Star Challenge

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Non-notable college bowl. "Sources" were added with deprod, but they consisted of a couple local college newspapers and a fan wiki. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 19:03, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Television and Education. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 19:03, 18 May 2022 (UTC)


 * The United Negro College Fund website is not a college newspaper. Neither are the American Honda website references. I am confused as to how a 33-year old HBCU quiz competition that has awarded millions in grants to students like me has become the target of a deletion request. Are we asserting that only a certain set of quiz competitions merits inclusion on wikipedia? The program has been on television. It has been referenced by other television programs. And it has been an important part of the academic development of thousands of students who have enjoyed playing. What is the real issue here? Your misrepresentation of the added references is concerning. I hope that there is no underlying intent in this targeted deletion of an HBCU program. 1911nupe (talk) 19:27, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The Honda source is considered primary since it's from the creator of the show itself. Not every TV show is notable. Please read WP:GNG. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 19:32, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, another wiki is not a reliable source. Anyone can edit a Fandom wiki and use it to spread misinformation. Finally, we don't do "trivia" sections in articles. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 19:43, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * A Different World was a top-rated television series on NBC that aired for six seasons... according to its own, well-documented wiki. If the issue is with nomenclature of the section head, then say that. But deleting the reference appears to be a targeted response to diminish HCASC. For what's it's worth, I and ever other HCASC player at the time loved this episode precisely because it celebrated the program on network tv. I'll add the reference to a different section. I really don't understand your issue here. 1911nupe (talk) 19:48, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The issue is that you can't use a Fandom wiki as a source, because those are edited by fans and are not the kind of well-vetted reliable sources to verify info. It'd be like citing a YouTube comment, a Facebook post, or the comments I left on your talk page. I really don't appreciate the way you're condescending to me either, mansplaining A Different World (when I didn't act as if I didn't know what it was) and assuming that my nomination was racially motivated. Please don't attack other editors. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 19:53, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * You said that not every show is notable. That seems like a pretty subjective measure, no? Only a handful of shows make it to syndication numbers of episodes. So programs that do are notable by that measure alone. Would imdb references to the episode meet wiki standards? I didn't make any assumptions about your deletion intent. I asked a question and asserted my hope that there was NO underlying intent in the deletion request of a page that has existed for several years with no drama. 1911nupe (talk) 20:03, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * IMDb is also user submitted, and therefore not reliable. Please read the general notability guideline and the reliable source guideline. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 20:57, 18 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep sources were added with deprod and I was in process of adding more before this AfD got added to page. There are sources out there to pass GNG.    From News & Record, Forbes, Black Enterprise, & USA Today respectively. WikiVirusC (talk) 19:41, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * All four of those are paywalled and I can't see what they say. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 19:45, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Actually, only News and Record is paywalled. USA Today is Free... as are Forbes, and Black Enterprise. 1911nupe (talk) 19:51, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Huh, all of them give me paywalls. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 19:53, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * — 1911nupe (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 19:54, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * They exist, and only one of them was paywalled for me, alternate link for that one, this is one I used instead for citation. I don't know why they were for you, sure its paywall and not just adblock warning. Either way sources exist. WikiVirusC (talk) 19:52, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Comments: Concerning sourcing; "They exist" (as in "out there somewhere in the universe") becomes moot whenever verifiability is challenged and goes farther with "or likely to be challenged". -- Otr500 (talk) 14:03, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. Clearly notable based on initial scan of sources that are cited now. In addition, preliminary Newspapers.com search yields 454 articles on "Honda All-Star Challenge", while "Honda Campus All-Star Challenge" yields a further 300 matches. (Other search term variations may yield even more.) Even if some of these are just passing mentions, it suggests there are far more sources out there that could be mined as references. Highly recommend that applies for access through Wikimedia Library, also given your other interests. It will give you the ability to "clip" and share the most relevant article links, so that we don't keep running into this paywall problem, although to be fair not every newspaper is covered, and you still need to do it the hard way for certain articles as well. Cielquiparle (talk) 12:56, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for suggestion, I actually got my access renewed few days ago, but was after this vote. Either way I don't tend to clip unless needed, such as when sources aren't available online. Those ones above were available and weren't even paywalled, except for the 1 which I just found posted on another paper's site. WikiVirusC (talk)</b> 14:15, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: Sources used (or added) does advance notability. --  Otr500 (talk) 14:03, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Not sure if that was directed at me or not, but I literally linked 4 different sources and a mirror. I proved sources existed by linking 4 different ones here on this page. His argument was they are paywalled(which they aren't at least not for US viewers), so he dismissed them cause he couldn't see what they said. They aren't somewhere out in the universe they are right there where I linked them. <b style="color:#000080; font-family:Tahoma">WikiVirus</b><u style="font-family: Tahoma">C <b style="color:#008000">(talk)</b> 14:15, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Think it was directed at me, and I get it – the mere existence of sources "out there" isn't a sufficient reason, but neither is "I can't access your sources". Appreciate the selective clipping approach as well (I do wonder what happens to clippings at some point down the line), other ways at least allow for Internet archiving, etc. (Anyway still voting "keep" based on sources cited to date, the rest of the comment was just an observation.) Cielquiparle (talk) 14:40, 21 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep based on sources listed above by WikiVirusC. Donald D23   talk to me  14:28, 21 May 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.