Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Honest Bob and the Factory-to-Dealer Incentives (2nd nomination)


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The result was   delete. At first look, the fact that it's been a long-running band featured in Guitar Hero and later Rock Band got my hopes up, but according to List of songs in Rock Band the game developer has featured bands with fellow or former team members or from the local area, suggesting this isn't as good a rubric as we might think (a COI, et al.) Article does not have the coverage necessary to meet GNG, and neither do their spinoff album articles (It's Not as Bad as I'm Making It Sound and Third Time's The Charm). io9 hasn't been established as a reliable source, but it's possible the author, Annalee Newitz, meets WP:SPS. That gives us one weak source for a keep. The google book mention is in a work of fiction, and the other sources I found were trivial. It's possible that soon this article might meet GNG or BAND; as such, they don't appear to know. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk ) 14:19, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Honest Bob and the Factory-to-Dealer Incentives
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I see that this page has been around quite a long time and has been nominated previously. I don't think this in itself makes it notable. The references are quite inadequate - surely a notable band would be able to rustle up something better. I see no evidence of the band having had any recordings on a reputable record label or of any of their members being well-known in their own right. Even the evidence of their music having supposedly used in advertising is sketchy. If I'm mistaken, I'm sure someone will put me right. Deb (talk) 17:45, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. There seem to have been two issues with this article: notability and verifiability. I'm on the fence about notability. Being used in Guitar Hero certainly conveys some notability, but I don't think it should be a band's sole claim to notability. Same with Car Talk. If this is a well-known band, someone besides a school newspaper should have written about them at some point. As for verifiability, the only news sources I could find besides the MIT paper were brief mentions in articles about Guitar Hero. So I'm leaning toward deletion, but I could be convinced otherwise by some reputable, published coverage.  Graymornings (talk) 18:39, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Irrelevant side note. This is probably the most awesome name for a band I have ever, ever, ever heard.  Graymornings (talk) 18:43, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete (though a bit weakly)--I don't think that Guitar Hero automatically makes for notability, and the lack of verifiable, in-depth coverage weighs pretty heavily for me. I also couldn't find anything not-GHero related, and that's a big strike against the band, cool name notwithstanding. Drmies (talk) 20:34, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: no significant 3rd party coverage WP:BAND. JamesBurns (talk) 07:06, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. I don't generally have much to do with AfDs, so I'm not "voting". The article's current sources are a bit weak. Would io9.com help? The post is written by Annalee Newitz. -Phoenixrod (talk) 08:13, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I saw that too--there's blogs and there's not so good blogs; this one seems pretty decent to me. Problem is, for me, that it's way too short (in my opinion) to count as substantial, in-depth coverage per WP:N...But thanks for pointing it out, and please don't be bashful about voicing your opinion beyond giving (useful) comments! Drmies (talk) 15:33, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * weak keep - not sure which company released their albums, but they have 3, and a track on a "Rock Band" game in addition to Guitar Hero. I find lots of minor mentions, which added together make me lean towards keep. They also get a psssing mention at google booksYobmod (talk) 14:16, 12 February 2009 (UTC)


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