Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Honest Bob and the Factory-to-Dealer Incentives (3rd nomination)


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The result was   delete. Stifle (talk) 08:34, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Honest Bob and the Factory-to-Dealer Incentives
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Local bar band. Fails WP:MUSIC. They do have an entry at allmusic.com, but just a bare discography. Of their albums, the first was released on their own label and the remainder on "Zero Down Entertainment" which, as near as I can tell, is an entity formed mainly or entirely for releasing records by Honest Bob and the Factory-to-Dealer Incentives. No national tour. Absolutely no notice even in local media. Of the four external links, two are to their own web sites, and one is to a review in the MIT student newspaper. The remaining one is to last.fm, which I don't what that is, but it's not the Boston Globe or even the Boston Phoenix. On the other hand, they have (or anyway claim to have) some visibility in video games, for whatever that is worth. Herostratus (talk) 02:36, 17 July 2010 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NativeForeigner Talk/Contribs 05:48, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 03:44, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. I found these: article from The Tech (already cited in article), Monsters & Critics - confirms second track in Rock Band game, Xconomy.com, Xconomy.com, some coverage in Guitar Hero guides: . Not really convincing regarding notability, but not exactly completely lacking in notability either.--Michig (talk) 06:30, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep The sources listed above, including the ones already mentioned in the article, plus this io9.com should be far more than necessary to satisfy notability. DubZog (talk) 17:53, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, io9.com is a blog. Granted they have a Wikipedia article so they are not just some guy's blog. Monsters & Critics and Xconomy are also online-only entities, I think. Anybody can put some pixels on a screen; WP:MUSIC asks for print media, or at leas the online version of a print entity. And neither io9, Monsters & Critics, or Xconomy are music sites, if that matters, which I think it does. It still looks to me like any hope of notability rests on the video game angle, which is slim in my opinion. Herostratus (talk) 01:52, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * My comment: Well, I'm from Norway, and I discovered the band playing Rock Band. I checked them out on YouTube, listened to the songs on Spotify and then bought all their CDs from the US. If I can discover them and become a fan, why are they too small for a Wiki article? You can't call them a local bar band when a Norwegian guy listens to them, I haven't been to the USA.. I know at least five Norwegians who like Honest Bob, so they are big enough for a Wiki article in my opinion. One of the vids with Honest Bob on YouTube has 69 000 views. Don't you think that some of those people want to read more about the band on Wiki?(User talk:Suppeelsker)18 July 2010 —Preceding undated comment added 11:30, 18 July 2010 (UTC).
 * Maybe. But everyone has some fans. Conversely, I'm from Boston and I've never heard of them. Granted I can't keep track of all the bands in Boston, but if you look at their web site, assuming its up to date their last bar gig was in February, and neither Cantab or Tommy Doyle's are exactly T.T. The Bear's or Johnny D's, so.... Also, at this time, YouTube views are not considered a factor -- this was discussed at Articles for deletion/Megan and Liz and also here. Megan and Liz had 1.2 million hits for one of their vids, so 69,000 doesn't seem a lot in comparison. Meghan and Liz did survive, but it was debatable. And 1.2 million versus 0.07 million... If YouTube is considered a factor, I'm not sure that hit quantities much under a million constitute an endorsement of notability... I'm not saying they don't, either; I don't know and I don't know who does. Herostratus (talk) 00:32, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * KEEP Calling them a "Local Bar Band" is absurd.  They have 5 tracks that have appeared on four of the best-selling videogames in the world over the last few years, including Guitar Hero (2005), Guitar Hero 2 (2006), Rock Band (2007), Rock Band 2 (2008), and Rock Band DLC (2009).  They are currently outselling some well-known bands (including Paul McCartney) in the Rock Band downloadable content store (as evidenced by the leaderboard depth).  Perusing their online presence, you can observe that on MySpace, they count more than 139K profile views and almost 250k plays. On LastFM.com, they have logged 125,389 listens and have registered 14,146 unique listeners.  If we generously assume that LastFM captures 10% of the music listening market (they don't), it would suggest Honest Bob has almost 150k fans worldwide.  That is more than "some fans".  They appear to have listeners across the U.S., Europe, and Latin America that clamor in online forums for Honest Bob to tour overseas (check out recent fan posts on Facebook from the UK).  Does this sound like a local bar band to you? No.  Now all that said, perhaps they have been less active recently (so has Led Zeppelin), but they have played gigs in cities up and down the East Coast in the past (including the Lion's Den in New York City and Nectar's in Burlington, VT), and they have played T.T. the Bears Place more times than most of us can count (Herostratus, the nominator, mentioned this venue specifically as a more suitable qualifier of notability).  Maybe do just a little research before you start trying to delete useful information about widely known and loved bands.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.190.252.222 (talk) 21:22, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * They may be notable, but if more good references can't be added, I'd have to go with delete. But if you can find some that'd pretty much solve the whole problem. Cheers! ~ Qwerp Qwertus ·  Contact Me  · 06:14, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete After reviewing the sources, I do not find enough coverage to demonstrate notability per WP:GNG. The MIT student newspaper provides significant coverage, but I do not believe that a student newspaper is enough to establish notability. Cunard (talk) 01:06, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
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