Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Honsbridge International School


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The result was delete. Seraphimblade Talk to me 02:16, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Honsbridge International School

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Promotional piece not based on secondary sources. I failed to find anything I'd call reliable, but what I did find indicates that this is not a "school" (and it carefully avoids calling itself one on its website) but a "tuition centre", a difference that may well be relevant to the amount of government approval or oversight (see The Star for an explanation of the difference and the surrounding issues). Without any reliable sources we cannot have an article; with reliable sources we'd still have to rewrite the page in its entirety, starting with the title. There's nothing salvageable here. Huon (talk) 19:42, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Malaysia-related deletion discussions. IntoThinAir (talk) 20:48, 15 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep we don't usually delete secondary schools amd this is a well established decently sized school. I don't see this page as promotional - it appears factual and plausable. Are you searching for sources in Malay? There is a lot of promo crap on bands and pageant winners that can be targeted for deletion that is a loss less pressing than deleting a school. Legacypac (talk) 22:46, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 23:28, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
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 * Comment - "this is a well established decently sized school" -, evidence, please? As I said above, it doesn't call itself a school, and I don't think it is one. Regarding "promotional", all without sources:
 * "one of the largest private co-educational schools in Malaysia",
 * "the only international school in Malaysia that offers the Express / Fast-Track IGCSE Cambridge O-Level education and examinations" (particularly the "examinations" I'd like to see confirmed),
 * "Students who opt for this option, can complete their Year 7 to Year 11 in less than 4 years instead of the normal 5 years route",
 * "provides an international, British-based curriculum",
 * "taught by specialized teachers",
 * "The school employs over 80% of local teachers, and 20% expatriates, mostly originating from Britain" (if there are over 80% locals there cannot be 20% expatriates),
 * "large teaching staff",
 * "Apart from academic excellence, Honsbridge International has a proud sporting tradition",
 * "many other sport activities with the school"
 * If you wanted to write an advertisement for a school (or something that is school-like), how would that sound any different from the above? You're welcome to nominate other articles for deletion that you think don't belong; see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Huon (talk) 14:56, 16 October 2018 (UTC)


 * I seek deletion of pages all the time. I don't seek deletion of schools. This is clearly a school. Legacypac (talk) 15:57, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Citation needed. Here is a source (of dubious reliability) that includes Honsbride International in a list of tuition centres. An older version of their website calls Honsbridge "an independent learning establishment to coach students to score in their Cambridge IGCSE/O level" and promises that "you will have the best possible preparation for your examinations" (but apparently not the examinations themselves). Their current website says they "aspire to provide quality and affordable IGCSE/O levels tuitions". And if all of that is not enough, look at them (as of October 2017). "PUSAT TUISYEN" doesn't mean "school". So unless you have some reliable sources that actually say it's a school, we're not discussing the deletion of a school here, but of a page that falsely calls a tuition centre a school. Huon (talk) 18:09, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Interestingly, there is a new e-mail at OTRS, which claims "Wikipedia is the only site that calls this organization a school - They are NOT a school approved by Ministry of Education." I'll suggest they comment here. Ron h jones (Talk) 18:14, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Surely this will be easily settled by citing a reliable third party source. Failing that, delete. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 03:09, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sam Sailor 22:50, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. I can't find any independent published sources. This blogpost says it is one of several "independent learning centres ... These centres tutor children and prepare them for popular examination options ... The academy behaves in many re­spects just like a typical school". Honsbridge does appear to be very like a school (classes, field trips, sports) but as Huon says, it doesn't call itself one, presumably isn't registered or inspected as one, and there just is no coverage. Tacyarg (talk) 23:16, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as a learning center and not a regular school, needs to follow WP:ORGCRIT, which it doesn't. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 00:14, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Non-notable educational business of some sort, not really a secondary school OhNo itsJamie Talk 14:33, 29 October 2018 (UTC)


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