Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Honus & Me


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Closing a bit early, for WP:SNOW reasons; additionally, nom now seems to be in agreement with the keep !votes. (non-admin closure) asilvering (talk) 16:30, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Honus & Me

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Redirect to Baseball Card Adventures (the parent series) per previous Afd. I guess this was overlooked at the time but the same logic applies here too. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:40, 7 March 2024 (UTC) Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. Notability (books) says: "A book is presumed notable if it verifiably meets, through reliable sources, at least one of the following criteria:The book has been the subject of two or more non-trivial published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself. This can include published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, other books, television documentaries, bestseller lists, and reviews. This excludes media re-prints of press releases, flap copy, or other publications where the author, its publisher, agent, or other self-interested parties advertise or speak about the book." Sources   The review notes: "Baseball, time travel and magic converge in Gutman's (The Kid Who Ran for President; The Way Baseball Works) joyfully entertaining yarn. ... Gutman's direct, no-frills writing style and the inclusion of vintage photos of Wagner in his heyday add a nostalgic quality to the book. The author also adds an interesting epilogue about the real Honus Wagner and why readers are extremely unlikely to find one of his baseball cards in anyone's attic. For sports fans who like a snappy plot along with the play-by-play, this novel hits at least a triple."  The review notes: "A delightful story full of baseball history, morality issues, and time travel. Joe Stoshack, a typical 1990s boy, is a fanatic about baseball. Although he's not a very good player, he collects baseball cards. While cleaning out the attic of a kind elderly lady, he comes across a rare Honus Wagner card from the early 1900s. He faces a moral dilemma when he realizes he can become a millionaire with the card, but in truth has stolen it from the unknowing neighbor. The card turns out to be very special when it transports him into the past and face to face with Honus Wagner. CU: An excellent book for reluctant readers, who will be pulled in by the time travel and baseball components. The baseball history can lead to studying the 1900s or other time periods. Math could be integrated with this book by using baseball card statistics in various activities. Finally, the topics of morality and choices can be examined."  The audiobook review notes: "Johnny Heller's outstanding narration provides a highly visual performance. He is totally convincing as Stosh: listeners can picture his youthful enthusiasm, his facial expressions, and the occasional eye roll. He is also totally convincing as the adult characters, especially as Honus and Amanda Young, Stosh's neighbor. Listening to Heller is so much fun it is difficult to imagine simply reading the book."  The review notes: "This peppy, pleasing offering is well researched and should delight young baseball fans; even readers not into sports will enjoy the fantasy elements. The inclusion of a few historical photos is a nice touch, too."  The review notes: "Honus and Me. Dan Gutman. The chore of cleaning out old Ms. Young's attic becomes the baseball adventure of all time. Joe finds the world's most valuable baseball card, which allows him to travel through time with one of the greatest ballplayers ever. This unique blend of fiction, fantasy, and baseball fact provides life lessons along the way.</li> <li> The review notes: "Which is why Dan Gutman's new book Honus & Me ($14.00, Avon Books) is such a delight. It is a timely reminder of what baseball is supposed to be all about. Without telling the whole story, Honus & Me is about a young man, an old lady, a rare Honus Wagner tobacco card worth thousands of dollars, Wagner and time travel. ... Honus & Me provides an important reminder of what professional baseball should be all about. It is a worthwhile read for baseball fans -- both young and old. ... It should be required reading in Major League locker rooms from Boston to Seattle, San Diego to Miami."</li><li> The review notes: "Novelist Dan Gutman also blends history and fantasy in his marvelous book Honus & Me (Avon Camelot, $3.99). Gutman builds his story around Joe Stoshack, a 12-year-old who lives for baseball but just doesn't seem to have a knack for playing the sport. ... Honus & Me is pure escapism, a fairy tale for baseball fans. Gutman is a skillful writer who is a master of pacing and character. Like Bowen, Gutman includes a historical note at the end, telling about Wagner's career and also about the fascinating history of the special T-206 Wagner baseball card. (Ages 9-12)."</li> <li> The review notes: "Thoroughly researched and illustrated with black-and-white period photographs of Wagner, this delightful story is hardly marred by the gratuitous subplot involving an attempt to steal the card. ... A good fantasy for any baseball fanatic, this includes an author's note, information on the baseball card, Wagner's career stats, and his tips for kids."</li> <li> The article noters: "Dan Gutman's middle-grades novel, Honus & Me: A Baseball Card Adventure (Avon, $14, ages 8 to 12) will round up fans to cheer on Joe Stoshack, a boy who is no good at playing ball. Fortunately, his luck changes when he cleans the attic of his next-door neighbor and stumbles onto a T-206 Honus Wagner baseball card. Not only is the card worth a half a million dollars, it also has the power to take Joe back to the 1909 World Series where he learns the real meaning of baseball."</li> <li> The article notes: "Your love for your favorite sport may never change, but all games do. That's something Joe Stoshack, the hero of Dan Gutman's "Honus & Me" discovers for himself. In Gutman's novel, Joe finds a magical baseball card that takes him back in time to the days of baseball great Honus Wagner and the 1909 World Series. The book is fun even if you don't particularly like baseball. But if you're a fan, you'll be surprised by some of the ways those 1909 games were played."</li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Honus & Me to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 12:28, 8 March 2024 (UTC) </li></ul>
 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Science fiction and fantasy, Literature, Baseball,  and United States of America.  WC  Quidditch   ☎   ✎  00:02, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment: The 2013 bundled AfD actually intentionally omitted this article, on the grounds that it was adapted into a TV movie. (The prior AfD's nominator added that explanation as an addendum, so it might have been easy to miss.) I have no further opinion or comment (beyond the obligatory note that notability is not inherited), but I at least wanted to acknowledge that it wasn't actually overlooked in the 2013 discussion.  WC  Quidditch  ☎   ✎  00:15, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Wcquidditch, thank you for pointing that out, I did completely miss that. The article does references a TV movie but, IMO, the book itself isn't notable on its own. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:16, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment One independent RS review is in the article. Was there any effort to find a second? Jclemens (talk) 00:40, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Jclemens, I can't find anything related to the book which isn't related to the TV movie adapted from it. Edit to add: beyond the PW review, that is. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:18, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per Cunard. Don't feel bad, Cunard is a wizard at finding book reviews, but this does have plenty to meet notability. Jclemens (talk) 16:28, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Jclemens, no that's fair enough! Though is the movie adaption enough to make this book notable on its own? I'm sure the other books in the series have the same number of reviews but, from what I gather, them NOT having a film is what makes them not notable. Is that correct? Omnis Scientia (talk) 17:19, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * WP:NBOOK says that if a book has two or more non-trivial published reviews from appropriate sources, then it's notable. Nothing to do with the film. If someone finds multiple reviews for any subsequent book in the series, then they can make pages for that book as well. The original deletion discussion for the series had very low participation; if people had looked more closely for reviews then, the result might have been different. Toughpigs (talk) 18:32, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Toughpigs, ah I understand now. Thank you! Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:34, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per Cunard. SportingFlyer  T · C  14:56, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per Cunard's sources, there are enough reviews to demonstrate notability. Toughpigs (talk) 15:53, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep: The sources provided in this discussion are plenty to meet the WP:NBOOK. Let&#39;srun (talk) 03:17, 9 March 2024 (UTC)


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