Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Horace Mann Elementary School (Oak Park, Illinois) (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was keep. --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 10:34, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Horace Mann Elementary School (Oak Park, Illinois)
Again, no notable information. I'd like to renominate this article for deletion per Schools/Arguments. Nothing encyclopedic about this entry. Strong Delete. Wikipedical 04:11, 28 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Speedy Keep. Bad faith nom from new user. -- JJay 04:14, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: Too soon to renom this- it was kept last month on AfD Articles for deletion/Horace Mann Elementary School (Oak Park, Illinois) -- JJay 05:09, 28 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Merge with Oak Park Elementary School District. The standard is usually to keep high schools, and to merge primary schools without anything particularly special about them into their district page. To preserve the importance of the school's namesake, Horace Mann, please note that it has already been linked on the district page already. -Rebelguys2 04:27, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: This nomination was mixed up with the first one at Articles for deletion/Horace Mann Elementary School (Oak Park, Illinois), initally sharing the same subpage.  I split it out on to its own subpage here.  In future please use afdx if you're doing a 2nd nom.  This was (and maybe is) quite a mess.  Notice that closed AFDs have a warning not to modify the page. --Rob 05:06, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep per previous *consensus* keep of first AFD, which had 23 keep votes and 9 delete votes (according to closing admins tally). That's about 72%, which seems sufficient.  --Rob 05:12, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: Incidentally, I've now been reminded that there was another early AFD, that resulted in a delete in a Jan 2005 AFD.  Later the article was recreated and got a an AFD with 72% keep in October.  So, this, despite the name I gave it, is the 3rd AFD (that I know of).  --Rob 05:18, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge with Oak Park Elementary School District. --NeoJustin 05:44, December 28, 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge/Redirect to Oak Park Elementary School District. Neutralitytalk 05:46, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep, nominating the same article a month later after a consensus keep is just distruptive. This is a perfectly good article which provides useful information to those interested in eduction in Oak Park, Illinois. Kappa 06:00, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep, already AFDed, passes WP:SCH --Quarl 06:04, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Note: The nominator's only contributions are to Horace Mann School (New York City) --Quarl 06:07, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep The previous result should be accepted. CalJW 08:25, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * merge and redirect based on the content, not the previous arguments. Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 11:44, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep - The cabal has spoken, nothing with "school" in the name can ever be deleted. --Cyde Weys votetalk 18:36, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * That's not very fair. It's true that verifiable and established schools don't get deleted, but unverifiable and informal "schools" have been. Kappa 18:39, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I think it's emminently fair. I doubt Cyde Weys, or anyone else, would expect unverifiable/hoax schools to be included, but there certainly is no shame among inclusionists in accepting the most threadbare excuse for an article for any school which comes along. D e nni &#9775;  19:39, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * We are prepared to accept any good-faith article which adequately defines a verifiable and established school, the way wikipedia accepts the same thing for towns, villages, universities etc. Why would we be ashamed of that? Kappa 19:53, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, we don't use the same standard at all. Villages are judged by a much lower standard.  An article on a village of about 80 people with limited verifiability, and little known about it was speedy kept recently, despite nobody knowing if it was actually a legal entity (it appeared that it once was, but wasn't anymore).  Schools lacking verifiable information (or lack of confirmed official status) have been deleted (with me and other inclusionists voting delete).  Notice here comments like "All real places are notable".  Of course, I don't see many people challenging such statements, even though, keeping all real places would involve an awful lot of unsourced articles.  If this article lacked the verifiability that this did, I would probably vote to delete (or at least wait to find more verifiable information before voting to keep).  --Rob 21:06, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Good faith does not equal good sense. I could write a good-faith article about my local Wal-Mart, which exists, is verifiable, and contributes to my community. Yet no one would be surprised to find this article appearing on AfD and falling to defeat. Good sense says that this Wal-Mart is cut out of the same bolt of cloth as thousands of others, which can also be said of schools. Inclusionists seem to miss the point (likely because they haven't seen the inside of a school since the millenia ago they graduated) that all schools are essentially the same and that noatbility is not the norm but the rare commodity. D e nni &#9775;  02:08, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * What Wal-Mart did you graduate from? -- JJay 02:10, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, is that supposed to be an insult? Sheesh, gone are the days when ready wit was a prized attribute. --Agamemnon2 08:32, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Wow, man, I am =sooo= squelched! Not. D e nni &#9775;  20:25, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * The truth never is. --Cyde Weys votetalk 19:40, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * "Nothing with school in the name can ever be deleted" is not the truth. Kappa 19:53, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Alright, let me slightly amend that per Denni's amendments. --Cyde Weys votetalk 20:02, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Great article on great school. Let's expand it further. -- JJay 19:42, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * A barely passable article. Please provide evidence that this is a great school (Betcha can't). D e nni &#9775;  02:13, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Hey, barely passable from you= strong keep. Thanks. Those Horace Mann kids are inspirational. The Time Magazine story brought tears to my eyes. Oak Park is special. -- JJay 02:28, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Three statements, none of which constitute evidence. Running for a cause is not a big deal either. Lots of schools do it. In Canada it is a rare school that does not take part in the Terry Fox Run for Cancer each year. D e nni &#9775;  20:25, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * That is super interesting. We need more articles on Canadian schools. Canada is special. -- JJay 21:32, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * JJay, when will you figure out that if everything is special, nothing is special? We need more articles on Canadian schools like we need a fungal infection. I'll tell you what Wikipedia needs - it needs some decent articles on the arts and the humanities. This has been the biggest criticism leveled against Wikipedia's balance of content by the press I've read. But no, we piss around with these subtrivial articles on schools and pretend we are being encyclopedic. I would love to have a page hit counter; my guess is that pretty much the only people who read these pages are their authors. Sureashell gonna be no one outside of Oak Park reading this article, except maybe you. D e nni  &#9775;  00:11, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Sounds like someone needs a hug. &mdash;RaD Man (talk) 00:14, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
 * If it's any consolation, more people are probably reading the article because of this AFD discussion. -Colin Kimbrell 03:24, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge into Oak Park Elementary School District -- Rune Welsh | &tau;&alpha;&lambda;&kappa; | Esperanza  03:50, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * speedy keep and please do not merge too much valuable information here Yuckfoo 08:46, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep as per previous discussion, Schools/Arguments, and to discourage this type of bad-faith double jeapordy. Silensor 20:29, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep. A month is too soon to re-nominate for AFD, and this is a perfectly good school article besides. -Colin Kimbrell 21:54, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. All schools are notable enough for a truly great encyclopaedia. &mdash;RaD Man (talk) 23:35, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep seems AFD has become nominate X article Y number of times til there is a delete consensus lately.  ALKIVAR &trade;Radioactivity symbol.png 01:14, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Per previous consensus. 23 to 9 a month ago to keep. And no new argument. Try again in 6 months if you still feel this needs to be deleted. A 05:53, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep meets the proposal at WP:SCH.Gateman1997 23:44, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, notable. Christopher Parham (talk) 22:40, 31 December 2005 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.