Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Horserace (drinking game) (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was Keep. --Luigi30 (&Tau;&alpha;&lambda;&kappa; &tau;&omicron; m&epsilon;) 22:08, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Horserace (drinking game)
One of the unsourced, and at this time externally unverifiable drinking game articles listed in a mass deletion earlier today (Articles for deletion/Circle of Death (drinking game)) Per the closing statement of this aborted mass-nomination, this is an individual relist of the article. -- Saberwyn 10:21, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. Adding a request for verifiable sources to this article page would be a good way to start this process.  Not having verification isn't an automatic deletion criterion, being unverifiable is - an important distinction.  Before nominating an article for deletion, shouldn't the nominator at least research the article themselves, adding the sources if possible?  I haven't tackled notability as this is not the reason given for nomination, but all drinking game are cultural memes that have lasted in many cases for centuries and appear in various places in popular literature etc. Vizjim 11:43, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete who respects an encyclopedia that contains articles about drinking games? - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 12:05, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I do. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEMES?) 13:22, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, likely mentioned in the BarMeister Book of Drinking Games, notable and verifiable. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEMES?) 13:22, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment "likely mentioned" - is it or is it not? "likely" is a weasel word that makes it sound like notability has been shown without actually showing it.  GRBerry 16:05, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Notability is rather clear, even if people want to act otherwise. No effort was made by the nom to improve the articles or check for notability.  Seeing as the BarMeister website - the same site run by the guy who wrote the book - lists the drinking game, it's likely the game is in the book of drinking games as well.  --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEMES?) 16:08, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete WP:NOT ... an indiscriminate collection, number 8 (instruction manual) [why can't these have numbers like CSDs ?]; zero encyclopedic content. Angus McLellan  (Talk) 19:57, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment. I presume that in referring to WP:NOT you are specifically talking about "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information", point 8?  This says, I quote - Instruction manuals - while Wikipedia has descriptions of people, places, and things, Wikipedia articles should not include instruction - advice (legal, medical, or otherwise), suggestions, or contain "how-to"s. This includes tutorials, walk-throughs, instruction manuals, video game guides, and recipes.  An article on "Horserace" has the obvious potential to contain a) history and evolution of the game, b) its cultural significance, c) appearances in books, on TV shows, in films etc, and thus is more than simply a collection of rules (it doesn't matter if these things are not there or haven't been completed: the fact is, they could be inserted).  However, the rules need to be included as otherwise it would be impossible to give a clear idea of the game - and I presume you are not arguing that the entries for Chess and Soccer should be deleted? Vizjim 10:57, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * There's a difference. Chess and Soccer give instructions about game play but also give wider discussion on origins, history, development, social/cultural impact etc. These drinking game articles are exclusively  "how to".  Rossrs 13:13, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * But they don't have to be. If editors feel that missing content like this is important, they should do the research (or use the Talk page to request that others do so), not just reach for the Delete button.Vizjim 14:02, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete. No assertion of notability. Brian G. Crawford 21:22, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep Wikipedia is not paper; this is a sub page of the drinking game article.  JeffBurdges 15:26, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. -- GWO
 * keep article just needs to be sourced. Dspserpico 17:57, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * weak delete Due to the point about this being an instruction manual. It seems to belong either in Wiktionary or perhaps as a two-sentence entry in "Drinking Games".Apollo 10:44, 9 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.