Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hoshin Roshi Ryu


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. –MuZemike 19:21, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Hoshin Roshi Ryu

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Speedy (A7) tag removed by creator, but this page has too many third-party edits to make me comfortable with an A7 speedy. Martial arts school with no credible assertion of notability, borderline spam. Delete.  Blanchardb - Me•MyEars•MyMouth - timed 15:04, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Hello, this page has been edited by and on behalf of Hoshin Roshi Ryu admin. We are a genunie ryuha attempting to provide accurate information to the general public about our Art, and coroborating evidence to this effect can be found by following the links listed on the web page. Recently there has been some spamming of the page by unknown 3rd parties which has caused repeated rewrites by us. If any further proof of our veracity is needed please email KHTC@nexicom.net. Or follow the links in the article. Thanks, Kumoichi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kumoichi (talk • contribs) 19:22, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * See WP:COI. No page on Wikipedia should be edited on behalf of its subject. --  Blanchardb - Me•MyEars•MyMouth - timed 03:51, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, you will note that the deletion rationale makes no mention whatsoever of a doubt about the veracity of the article's contents. But the school's notability is not established or even asserted by the article in its current state. --  Blanchardb - Me•MyEars•MyMouth - timed 04:45, 4 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete: Just another martial arts school/style trying to get recognition by having an article on the English Wikipedia.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 20:32, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * FYI It's an American-run outfit on American soil, formed by someone who's nickname was "American Ninja". K2709 (talk) 20:51, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * FYI In this case "English" refers to the language. Papaursa (talk) 04:04, 7 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep: It's Glenn Morris's school, and people still buy books on his teachings despite him being deceased. A Glenn Morris article that talks about HRR rather than vice versa would arguably be safer, though I don't see anything here that a bit of cleanup wouldn't fix. K2709 (talk) 20:51, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The only Glenn Morris that meets our notability guidelines is a decathlete who went on to take Johnny Weissmuller's place as Tarzan. --  Blanchardb - Me•MyEars•MyMouth - timed 12:57, 4 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions.  —72.20.219.166 (talk) 20:45, 4 April 2010 (UTC) 72.20.219.166 (talk) 20:45, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Unable to find any independent references that show notability. 72.20.219.166 (talk) 20:59, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Any assistance apreciated in helping conform to Wiki specifications. Could the party(ies) desiring deletion please clarify what information is lacking and I will endeavour to correct the deficiancy. Thanks, Kumoichi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kumoichi (talk • contribs) 17:06, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Subjects of an article need to be notable (see WP:GNG) and covered by reliable sources (WP:RS). Looking at the essay WP:MANOTE might provide you with some ideas. Papaursa (talk) 04:04, 7 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete Subject fails WP:GNG and lacks coverage by independent sources. Papaursa (talk) 04:04, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, Have added paragraph noting recognition by exterior bodies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kumoichi (talk • contribs) 21:11, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
 * There are two problems with your additions. One is that they're about the founder, not the organization, and the second is that they're not referenced.  You need sources that are independent of the organization or its founder. Papaursa (talk) 23:10, 9 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete This school doesn't seem notable on its own. Doc Quintana (talk) 12:11, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.