Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hoshino Fuuta


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Based solely on the disruptive block drama, no prejudice to speedy relisting if an editor in good standing so desires. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  02:18, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Hoshino Fuuta

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Does not meat notability guidelines. Unreferenced BLP. Vondell (talk) 12:58, 5 May 2009 (UTC) — Vondell (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:04, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Congratulations, you have been slapped with a wet trout. Nominations for deletions should indicate how the nominator tried to find sources to address the issue before nominating the page per WP:BEFORE. - Mgm|(talk) 08:28, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: The artist apparently won an honorable mention in the Alice Club category in 1998 the 1st Core Magazine Awards (according to the Japanese article). That's the only thing of note I can find, and it's not enough to meet even the general notability guidelines. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 10:07, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep: I don't know anything about this artist, but giving it the benefit of the doubt, since the shotacon/lolicon genres & communities are somewhat niche and underground, it may be hard for artists in those genres to be notable in the traditional/standard ways. But if people who read stuff from that genre think he's a big name in the field, then I think it should be considered notable enough, standard guidelines be damned... they're the ones who would know. Anyone familiar with the subject care to chime in? LordAmeth (talk) 10:27, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * How can we know that people think he is big name in the field? We need a reliable source for such a claim. Otherwise, it is a violation of WP:BLP. --Farix (Talk) 11:53, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * How can we know? We can know by having people informed on the subject provide sources. If you and I hunt around using Google or whatever, there's a good chance we won't find anything. But if the people who know about this stuff, those who have the insider magazines on their shelves, have something they can cite, they should provide it, and we should give them a chance to do so. I don't know much about shotacon/lolicon, and I don't care to, but to take a similar example, if it were an article on a particular designer of Harajuku-style goth-lolita clothes, and we gave up on finding reliable references because we couldn't find anything in English, or we couldn't find anything in Vogue and Maxim, we wouldn't be doing our job. Give those who have the Goth-Lolita Bible on their shelves the benefit of the doubt, and give them a chance to cite from it. Just because the necessary sources on Hoshino Fuuta are not on my bookshelf, or yours, does not mean that such sources don't exist. LordAmeth (talk) 15:05, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Read over WP:BURDEN. This is a classic case of such. We can't presume that sources do exist without any evidence. Especially where a biography of a living person is concerned. --Farix (Talk) 17:27, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * That's funny, I read it differently. It says right there on WP:BURDEN that the burden of proof is upon the editor who contributed to the article, not upon the editor(s) who nom it for deletion. So, rather than having us run around trying to find the right sources, why don't we put the burden back onto the contributing editors to find sources? ... It's not about what you or I are capable of finding, it's about what the editor who contributed the article (and who therefore probably has better knowledge of the subject than you are I) could provide. Where are the contributing editors, anyway? Why haven't they spoken up? Hello out there.... LordAmeth (talk) 21:11, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete I'm going to trust Nihonjoe on the search for reliable sources. WP:BLP pretty much comes into play here, which requires all content be cited to a reliable source and there is no evidence that this individual passes WP:BIO, specifically WP:CREATIVE. --Farix (Talk) 11:49, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, it's not hard to find at least some of the listed works and confirm that "Hoshino Fuuta" is listed as the author, at least by sellers. Which is not the ideal in sourcing, but can be treated as reliable pending finding a better. That would take care of the BLP concerns. The problem of notability, either under WP:CREATIVE or WP:BIO, remains however. —Quasirandom (talk) 03:42, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Entire post removed - contained serious threat of violence by now indef blocked user Vondell (talk) 14:43, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Bold Action - redacted the entirity of Vondells post above - completely unacceptable threat of violence. Exxolon (talk) 18:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Do remain civil and not engage in personal attacks against other editors. --Farix (Talk) 17:27, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
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