Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hospital trust


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. No prejudice against speedy renomination per low participation herein. North America1000 03:20, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Hospital trust

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Out of date and misleading. Contains nothing which is not included in NHS trust Rathfelder (talk) 14:31, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep It is not out of date, as hospital trusts still exist. Many of them are listed here.(And even if they were to cease to exist, they could still merit an article). Contrary to the nomination, it contains a good deal of information not in Hospital trust. What this article needs (I would entirely agree) is improvement. Where there are elements which need updating or expansion, by all means update or expand them.Smerus (talk) 15:59, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 17:14, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

The distinction between hospital trusts and other NHS trusts is no longer meaningful. It certainly has no official standing. Most hospital trusts now provide community services and sometimes social care and primary care. Some provide mental health services. The NHS Trust Development Authority has been abolished. This article provides no useful information which is not duplicated or given better context in the NHS trust article.Rathfelder (talk) 18:53, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Whatever they do, they exist - if they only provide the services as you describe, that should be in the article about them. That information is not,as you claim in the article NHS Trust. Both articles should therefore be updated.Smerus (talk) 06:20, 6 June 2017 (UTC)


 * In what sense do they exist? How are they defined and distinguished from other NHS Trusts?Rathfelder (talk) 09:17, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
 * You claim "The distinction between hospital trusts and other NHS trusts is no longer meaningful." At some stage therefore even you concede that it has been meaningful. I am not an expert in the present NHS structure - but if something has existed, and there is evidence for it, it is in principle entitled to an article. If it has ceased to exist it should be explained how and why. No such explanation is included in the article NHS Trust - and unless and until it is, it is difficult to understand how the deletion of Hospital trust can be justified.Smerus (talk) 15:34, 8 June 2017 (UTC)


 * When NHS trusts were introduced by the National Health Service and Community Care Act 1990 they were set up in five waves. The first waves only contained organisations which could have been considered to be hospital trusts - the biggest and most prestigious NHS organisations.  At that time none of them ran community services, as far as I remember.  But the plan was always that all NHS organisations should become NHS trusts, and eventually they all did.  Hospital Trust was never an official category.  And I don't think any of the Welsh trusts could properly have been described as hospital trusts.  They all ran local community services.  Now most of the big hospitals are running community services.  This list you refer to [] is out of date. But it doesn't suggest that "hospital trust" is an official or useful category.Rathfelder (talk) 21:28, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 06:07, 12 June 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   09:04, 20 June 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 12:18, 27 June 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.