Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hostage Crisis (Star Wars: The Clone Wars)


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The result was keep. BD2412 T 22:25, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Hostage Crisis (Star Wars: The Clone Wars)

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Fails WP:GNG, consists of only a plot summary, and doesn't have any reliable sources. Poydoo (talk) 00:06, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
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 * Keep, surprisingly enough, there are reliable reviews of this episode specifically, see here: by IGN, here:  by Multiversity Comics, and here:   by Wired. All in all, easily enough to establish notability. Devonian Wombat (talk) 03:32, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Devonian Wombat. Who'd've thunk? userdude 03:37, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - Having reviewed the sources that found, I think this fails on notability grounds. Those sources are reviews. Any TV episode can get a review, but that does not make the episode notable. The series is notable, but the episode is just an episode. Nothing in those reviews speaks to a deeper notability. There was nothing ground breaking. There is no suggestion that this is a classic of TV that will be remembered in years to come for some reason (such as breaking taboos, stereotypes or affecting some social change). All in all it is a well received episode of a TV show, but that is not notable for its own article. (Merge with Star Wars: The Clone Wars (2008 TV series) is also perfectly acceptable). -- Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 09:41, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Devonian Wombat. ~ HAL  333  16:35, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep: It is not true that any TV episode gets multiple reviews; there are lots of TV shows that never get reviews for a single episode. They get reviewed when people are especially interested in them — i.e., they're notable. Sirfurboy's standard that every single episode page on Wikipedia needs to be a groundbreaking classic that caused social change would probably cover a few hundred episodes in the history of television. Basic notability is easily met. — Toughpigs (talk) 17:52, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
 * To be clear, my "standard" was merely trying to explain the kind of things that would make a single episode (even a season finale of a show) notable of anarticle in an encylopaedia. This page very specifically meets various deletion policy guidelines. As per WP:NOTPLOT, it should be deleted as a mere plot summary. It does not meet WP:GNG, and I do not think three reviews of this season finale show WP:SUSTAINED. Not every TV episode gets multiple reviews, but many non notable ones do. The question here is not whether there are any reviews, but what exactly is notable about this episode? Even the article struggles with that question. -- Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 18:46, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Per WP:ARTN, the current state of the article does not determine notability of the subject. WP:NEXIST says that the notability is established by the existence of multiple independent reliable sources, even if they're not currently used in the article. If sources exist, then the article can be improved. — Toughpigs (talk) 18:52, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Indeed, but the question is still what exactly is notable about this episode? If nothing, it should be deleted. If there are any WP:RS then this process can bring them to light. The reviews above do not establish any such notability because they too are plot summary. So far no one has established an actual reason that this episode is notable. Thanks. -- Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 19:10, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
 * It's notable because it's been written about in multiple independent reliable sources, directly and in detail. That's the definition of notable on Wikipedia. — Toughpigs (talk) 19:02, 22 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Devonion Wombat. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 04:09, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep: Per Devonian Wombat and Toughpigs. ASTIG😎  (ICE T • ICE CUBE) 05:20, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Wait, since when is Multiversity Comics a reliable source? That leaves two reviews, one brief. Is there really no more coverage? czar  15:25, 28 March 2020 (UTC)


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