Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hot Chanie


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.   A rbitrarily 0   ( talk ) 03:18, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Hot Chanie

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No RS for this term other than a blog and humor column. Does not assert notability for inclusion. Should have been CSD'ed or Prod'ed but prod tag was deleted already. Yossiea (talk) 17:19, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Yossiea (talk) 17:20, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions.  -- Yossiea (talk)  17:20, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: Is a humor column not an independent, third-party substantiation for inclusion as a referencing entity -- must I quote the New England Journal of Medicine? The the PROD was merely complaining that this 'term' is better suited for a dictionary, which I contested and deleted according to its own instructions.  DRosenbach  ( Talk 22:00, 14 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete no RS for this (although it gave me a good laugh...). Shlomke (talk) 00:27, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Borderline G10, need good RS for such a pejorative term. If another admin agrees this is G10, I'll speedy it. Jclemens (talk) 00:37, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete It has no place here. The two sources provided are not nearly reliable enough in my view. ArcAngel (talk) (review) 01:14, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - Speedy G10, preferably, since my tag was declined. —DoRD (talk) 02:56, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment -- as per WP:SNOW, let's delete this already :)  DRosenbach  ( Talk 03:12, 15 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Weak Delete I am in Missoula, MT and my Jewish friends were using this term to talk about someone's mom, so I assume that this was used on some TV show somewhere that they watch. I ended up here to figure out what it actually meant and noticed a afd tag. From a simple google search, it seems to have widespread use among many blogs. Also apparently people ask for them on craigslist. While there might not be RS now, I assume there will be pretty quick OneofLittleHarmony (talk) 11:55, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * ...If that's the case, then the article is premature and can be rewritten when reliable sources exist. We don't speculate as to whether a term will or will not be notable - we wait until it is notable and write an article then. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 14:03, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * .... So from what my friends said it was on Shalom TV, but that's all they could tell me. They thought it was funny. I googled the term and Shalom TV but couldn't find any references. Changed to weak delete, (instead of keep). 66.62.194.224 (talk) 00:34, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete for lack of reliable sources. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 14:03, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * delete No reliable sources at present. Possibly userfy to someone's userspace if they want to work on it and try to track down more sources? At present, nothing in the article meets WP:RS. JoshuaZ (talk) 17:42, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete, a bit reluctantly. I don't see this as a candidate for speedy, and not a G10--it doesn't attack any identifiable person, it's a bona fide frum-community slang term, and the article here certainly appears to have been written in good faith.  Unfortunately it's difficult to find any Wikipedia-approved reliable sources at all for doings in that community, much less one that targets the etymology of this particular neologism. Having just waded through pages of blog citations for "hot chanie" (or "chani"), I didn't find much that could be sold as RS around here. The closest might be this mention at Jewcy.com referring to the "the Hot Chani phenomena sweeping through religious neighborhoods in the New York metro area"--but this blog post seems unlikely to meet the test.)   Someday, maybe someone will write a WP:RS-qualified "Guide to Orthodox Jewish Slang in America", and then that source could be used to make a nice little Wikipedia article on the subject, but as far as I could find that time has not arrived.--Arxiloxos (talk) 17:46, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: Further sourcing provided; the one from MyJewishLearning.com should be proper enough.  DRosenbach  ( Talk 17:48, 15 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete wikipedia is not a dictionary, and certainly not a slang dictionary, and certainly certainly not a dictionary for niche neologisms such as this. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  19:16, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Snowball Delete per above. Nuke it already. Burpelson AFB (talk) 03:14, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as a blog is not considered to be a reliable source. Anybody can coin a term and put it on a blog, but that doesn't make it worthy to be included in an encyclopedia.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:26, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete, and recommend snow close since the vote is overwhelming and the article title will come across as offensive to some. I was on the fence on speedy deletion as an attack page. - Dank (push to talk) 15:38, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Not an attack page for CSD purposes. Rather a satirical term. No good reason to speedy at this time. JoshuaZ (talk) 00:49, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
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