Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hot and Sour Noodle


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. No consensus for a particular action has arisen in this discussion. Matters regarding the article can continue to be discussed on its talk page, if desired. North America1000 10:52, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Hot and Sour Noodle

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No evidence of any notability. A single blog reference. Fails WP:NOTRECIPE and WP:GNG. Previous PROD removed by author without any improvement in the article  Velella  Velella Talk 22:45, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge/Redirect with Hot and sour soup. The article isn't notable on its own, but it could warrant a section in Hot and sour soup. — Chevvin 23:00, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. North America1000 09:45, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment There are many varieties of this soup. John Jaffar Janardan (talk) 17:10, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jujutacular (talk) 02:46, 1 September 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   17:47, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep extensive coverage in Chinese sources:, , , , etc. for a clear pass of WP:GNG. SST  flyer  03:04, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. I'm not sure what to make of the sources SSTflyer found.  I don't read chinese, so I had to rely on the automatic translations.  From that, these all seem to refer to  hot and sour powder, which might be an ingredient in hot and sour noodle, but that's not quite the same thing.
 * Some sources I found:


 * 1)  Hot and Sour Sweet Potato Noodles-Suan La Fen.  It's in a website which describes itself as a blog, and normally we don't like blogs as sources, but I'm inclined to think this one isn't bad as blogs go.
 * 2) CHONGQING HOT AND SOUR CELLOPHANE NOODLES.  Not exactly the same name, but sure looks like the same dish.
 * 3) Easy Hot and Sour Sweet Potato Noodles, Chinese Sichuan (Szechuan) Style.  Another variation on the title.


 * There also appears to be a copyvio problem with our lede text copied straight from here (I'll fix that right after I'm done here). The text of our article is badly written; it needs major editing (maybe WP:TNT) to get it into shape, but that's not a reason for deletion.


 * Merging into Hot and sour soup would be a mistake; while they share some flavors, they are distinctly different dishes. Hot and sour soup is more of a broth (usually thickened). this site (cited from the Google cache, because the site itself seems to be down) also refers to the dish.  This dish looks like it's mostly noodles.  So, yeah, we need better sourcing, and a lot of editing, but I think there's a reasonable chance this could develop into a useful article, so I'm inclined to keep it.  Also suggest moving this to Hot and Sour Noodles (plural) since that seems to be a more common name for the dish.   But leave the current title as a redirect, because I sometimes see it written in the singular as well.  -- RoySmith (talk) 14:48, 17 September 2016 (UTC)


 * "hot and sour powder" is an incorrect translation of 酸辣粉. 粉 can mean "powder" or "noodle" depending on context. In my sources, all instances of 酸辣粉 mean "hot and sour noodle", the article subject. SST  flyer  06:43, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirect instead because simply satisfying WP:GNG, as the 1st Keep vote states, would still not be enough and it sounds like a "eh, it's enough" vote, rather than stating clearly and thoroughly how and why this can be kept separately. It seems they are still in fact connected, regardless if they are not the same food course. There's never a clear line whether these articles themselves can in fact be substantially kept and improved. SwisterTwister   talk  00:53, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions.  SST  flyer  06:44, 18 September 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.