Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hot dog day


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Nice job saving/expanding this one. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  14:31, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Hot dog day

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No real notability assertion, but brought here rather than CSD because it's possible it could pass WP:V and it's been here a good while. Dweller (talk) 12:55, 16 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah yes, nothing says vanity page like centred photographs. Delete. --fvw *  13:08, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete because the article is closely copied from http://herrick.alfred.edu/special/archives/traditions/hot_dog_day.shtml. PCHS-NJROTC  (Messages) 13:12, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy per copyvio. 137.165.246.241 (talk) 13:18, 16 December 2008 (UTC) (Oops, forgot to login!)  Graymornings (talk) 14:28, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete No references and its hardly encyclopedic Ijanderson (talk) 13:46, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete (G11/G12) — It's a copyvio and/or spamming, whichever it is. MuZemike  ( talk ) 16:46, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Not even a close call - when crowds of two dozen people make an event "notable" to someone ... Collect (talk) 17:20, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - non notable event. &mdash; neuro(talk) 17:27, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is a major annual event—probably the major annual event—for the town of Alfred and the two colleges located there (a combined population of over 10,000).  As such it is a major part of both colleges' culture, and is a focal point for alumni events.  At the very least the content should be merged into Alfred, New York with mentions in Alfred University and Alfred State College. --bdesham  ★  04:05, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

I've rewritten the article to remove the copyvio, add references, and make the event's significance more explicit. Please take another look. --bdesham ★  17:01, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep following rewrite, seems like a reasonable, informative article. Stephenb (Talk) 09:00, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I've returned after reviewing the article and I stand by my original opinion, that there's currently no real notability claim, nor is there evidence of coverage in independent sources. It's a student fundraiser with no apparent profile beyond the environs of the university. --Dweller (talk) 10:48, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Still support deletion as a lack of coverage via multiple secondary sources do not exist, thus not making the general notability guideline. MuZemike  ( talk ) 17:46, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Stifle (talk) 00:21, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

It's better, but still looks like a collection of non notable local days, with no really reliable sourcing in it. --Dweller (talk) 10:17, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I would not normally relist after this level of comment, but the article was rewritten so I would like to get a little more contribution here. Stifle (talk) 00:22, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Still not enough sources. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 01:08, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect - To Alfred University. Likewise it is already covered there.  Not enough notabilityon its own to have an article.  But certainly enough, as shown here  that a redirect to Alfred University as Bdeshammm pointed to is a more than reasonable request.  ShoesssS Talk 01:09, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * If this is to be turned into a redirect, it should go to the town's article, since Hot Dog Day is not exclusively within the purview of Alfred University (or that of Alfred State, for that matter). --bdesham ★  04:48, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect per Shoessss. Already covered on Alfred University; not notable outside the context of the college.  Graymornings (talk) 01:54, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - but generalize. I may take a crack at it. Lots of places enjoy hot dog days. Like Santa Claus parades. Could be a fun article. History - rituals - organization hints etc. But not with this very narrow scope. Please hold for a day or two. Aymatth2 (talk) 02:20, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - Aymatth2 remarks got me thinking, which is always dangerous, and I thought let me expand my search criteria to “National Hot dog day” and got the following results Google News a general Google search got these .  I believe there is enough there to get an article going.  However, you do realize you will have to start from scratch?  Let me know if you need a hand. ShoesssS Talk 03:19, 21 December 2008 (U
 * Expanded! - Not a very serious article, but now a notable topic, I think. Aymatth2 (talk) 16:19, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks great. I say keep it.  Graymornings (talk) 23:01, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - I'll say no more than to ask any additional opinions take a look at the job Aymatth2 did with this piece. Nice job. ShoesssS Talk 16:42, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak delete I'm still not convinced that this is the basis for an article. Essentially, any day of the year can be "Hot Dog Day" somewhere.  I understand that there are communities and schools that have fundraisers, and they happen to rely on hot dogs rather than pancakes or pizza, but I don't see any source that refers to "a hot dog day" as a common event.  Were it common, it seems like it would be a natural advertising vehicle for Oscar Mayer or Armour or some other corporation.  Mandsford (talk) 20:14, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I think the article passes the notability test: there are plenty of references and several are about the event in general, not specific events. A light-hearted article will do no harm and will perhaps help people that organize these charitable events to get ideas. I doubt that the hot dog manufacturers would exploit the article for advertising purposes, but suspect (and don't know if this is good or bad) that event organizers will want to put their event into the list - so it could grow into a sizable index. At a more basic level, deleting "Hot dog day" seems to me a bit like deleting Motherhood and Apple pie. Norman Rockwell would roll in his grave. My instinct is to look for ways to improve the article rather than find reasons to delete it. Aymatth2 (talk) 00:29, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Sort of agree, and sort of agree with Mandsford, although the sourcing is probably good enough: no reason to doubt its accuracy. See latest minor revision to intro, rephrased to make the article about hot dog days, not Hot Dog Day. There really is no Hot Dog Day, whatever the National Hot Dog & Sausage Council says. But a lot of groups organize hot dog days, and these are what the article describes - a type of social activity similar to Fete or Kermesse. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:45, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. I guess I've neglected to actually vote until now… bdesham ★  17:11, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Change to keep — third time's a charm! MuZemike  ( talk ) 19:32, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Concur - switching to Keep (at last) too. --Dweller (talk) 10:55, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.