Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hot stain (2nd nomination)


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The result was   no consensus.  Sandstein  05:32, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Hot stain
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In the 6 months since the previous AfD, this non-notable neologism has received zero coverage in reliable sources. It was coined by Maude Barlow and has not come into common use outside of her work. Gigs (talk) 13:58, 10 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep - Added some more info... a second paragraph to the lead. This term may or may not have been coined by Maude Barlow. If it was, she is a notable person, and the term is used by others because of her notability also . Her notability is pretty convincing, and it appears that other science based water related professionals use the term. skip sievert (talk) 15:31, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Notability is not inherited. Gigs (talk) 15:47, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Editor above ^ the recent removal of referenced and cited material does not bode well for an effort to improve the article. Please refrain from removing material in the article that is sourced and relavant. The article currently is trying to be improved. I find the removal of sourced and cited information and the removal of an expansion questionable and troubling especially when an Afd is happening authored by yourself. Notability of this term is trying to be established, if it is possible to do so, within guidelines, as it appears to be notable. This edit is not really productive as to that skip sievert (talk) 15:51, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Adding unrelated information about Barlow to this article is inappropriate, doubly so since it's unverifiable whether she coined it or not. I'll leave it for some other editor to revert, since you seem to believe my actions are in bad faith. Gigs (talk) 16:30, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. The neologism isn't notable and doesn't appear to have any sources outside of a single person (Maude Barlow). It's WP:NN at the least. --Lithorien (talk) 18:50, 10 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Scientists call them "hot stains" - the parts of the earth running out of clean, drinkable water. They now include northern China, large areas of Asia and Africa, the Middle East, Australia, the Midwestern United States, and sections of South America and Mexico. How did the world's most vital natural resource become so imperilled? And what must we do to pull back from the brink? end quote from here . It is notable. Who came up with the term? A little research probably could nail that down. Our standard for inclusion is "Verifiability, not Truth". Also this article in The Nation discusses the term and gives references for who is using it and how it is being used               skip sievert (talk) 21:32, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Both of those articles were authored by Barlow. Gigs (talk) 22:32, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I would say The Nation is notable as to sourcing the term, and also there was a co-author that is also well known Tony Clarke (activist) so your comment is not accurate - skip sievert (talk) 23:05, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 21:14, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Delete, does not appear to have been widely used by anyone except Barlow and those closely connected to her. She's unquestionably notable herself, but just because she coined a term does not make it notable.  WP:NEO applies here.  Lankiveil (speak to me) 12:16, 20 September 2009 (UTC).
 * Keeep its used in enough sources to satisfy me. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 02:49, 21 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep Certainly, "hot stain" has several meanings 1) A Wood stain that is applied hot, 2) Hot stains used in biology e.g. a Ziehl-Neelsen stain - that uses heat to improve penetration of the stain into the bacterial cell wall.  It stains mycobacteria red and 3) An area devoid of ground water.  There are plenty of references for substantiating "hot stain" for 1 and 2.  There are many references to "hot stain" in the context (3) of running out of drinkable water, but these are not reliable sources like YouTube videos (GIRLZ OF ZAETAR - "HOT STAINS"), blogs (Wise geek, Double tongued, Fire Dog Lake, blogpi.net ... etc.), discussion groups, interviews in German, audio programs ...  The reliable sources come from a very small group of internationally renown water scientists and activists - and of course closely associated with Maude Barlow.   kgrr  talk 13:51, 23 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom or maybe merge and redirect to Maude Barlow. Searches of google scholar and the google news archive demonstrate that this term is simply not used as described here. No hits on pubmed either. Yilloslime T C  06:09, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
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