Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hotel Rival


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Keeping for now to assume good faith that this article can be improved. It can always be AfD'd again if needed. Let's hope not! Missvain (talk) 01:48, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Hotel Rival

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This hotel is WP:Run-of-the-mill and fails WP:NBUILD and WP:GNG Wikiwriter700 (talk) 19:27, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sweden-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  21:18, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  21:18, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  21:18, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep - Well known hotel. Article could need expansion and better sourcing, but that is no reason for deletion. Falls within WP:GNG. BabbaQ (talk) 21:21, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - for the reasons give above. Davidgoodheart (talk) 01:21, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   08:11, 17 November 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep WP:Run-of-the-mill is an essay and "Essays have no official status, and do not speak for the Wikipedia community". Andrew🐉(talk) 11:43, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. We don't need to consider essays, this clearly fails WP:GNG and WP:NORG. Also, Swedish Wikipedia article is little better. Anyone who claims this is an important and notable hotel should start by citing their sources first. WP:AFDNOTAVOTE. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 13:09, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete/redirect to Benny Andersson Generic hotel with no establishment of notability. Reywas92Talk 22:39, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 19:29, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
 * delete I could consider a redirect to the appropriate section of Mamma Mia! but the hotel is hardly otherwise notable. Knocking WP:Run-of-the-mill as an essay does not constitute an argument for notability. Mangoe (talk) 00:13, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment - Added one more source. It is an hotel, the sources establish that it is one of the prominent hotels. To redirect this article to Mamma Mia! is not correct, it has no connection. This is within WP:GNG.BabbaQ (talk) 14:11, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - Could I please do a bit more research per WP:BEFORE? Bearian (talk) 22:50, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete: The article does not meet WP:GNG or WP:NBUILD. The article makes no claim for general notability WP:GNG or historic, social, economic, or architectural importance WP:NBUILD. Two sources in article do not have WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. WP:BEFORE revealed advertising, WP:ROUTINE, WP:MILL coverage, and directory style listings. None of the keep votes have offerred any sources or evidence article meets WP:N. This is a normal hotel, not an encyclopedic topic.  // Timothy ::  talk  04:08, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:HEY, WP:SIGCOV, and WP:BEFORE. I DM'd my brother in law, who lives nearby, and told me that it is "famous". (I trust him, because he suggested deleting articles about small political parties and is familiar with Wikipedia's policies.) So I went to Google books, found many sources, and I added a section Hotel_Rival. This hotel has been reviewed both broadly (by many sources) and in detail (The Daily Telegraph and TWICE by Architectural Digest) amongst tour guides, travel websites, etc. There's lots of more reviews that I could add, but I'm done now. Bearian (talk) 22:06, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I also added some bits about the history from the Swedish Wikipedia article, but I'm having trouble with the wiki-markup. Can you please help? Bearian (talk) 22:47, 3 December 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.