Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/House of Coxie


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The result was delete.  MBisanz  talk 19:47, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

House of Coxie

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I can find no evidence at all that the four painters were related to the Lords of Moorsele, which would end in in an unsourced article with one redlink. The accompanying Category:House of Coxie should be removed from the four painter biographies and deleted as well. Fram (talk) 11:58, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
 * can i have the time to provide the proof? give me some days. How impatient can someone be?--Carolus (talk) 12:07, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
 * You now added a source, which can be read online. It is a 1876 book, when research about 16th c. Flemish painters was in its infancy, so its reliability can be doubted. In any case, contrary to what the article implies ("The House of Coxie, sometime van Coxcyn as a Flemish noble family, titled Lords of Moorsele. Family members became famous as artists and Politicians."), the source indicates that first there were the artists, and one branch of descendants later became nobility. Michiel Coxie (and Raphael and so on) never were members of the nobility or descendants of nobility, even if we believe this old source. Fram (talk) 12:37, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
 * More importantly, not a single modern source on the family of painters seems to find the link to the Lords of Moorsele in any way relevant enough to even mention them, and the one source you have added doesn't seem to mention "Moorsele" either. Perhaps because it shouldn't be Moorsele but Moorsel, which is a different thing altogether... As far as I can tell, Albert de Coxie was the first and last Lord of Moorsel from this family? Previously, Moorsel was owned by the Croÿ family, and Albert de Coxie apparently survived all his male descendants. Basically, we have a family of painters, and then a noble "house" consisting of one single member, it seems. Fram (talk) 12:53, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I have found the correct source, please be patient, do NOT move to draft, then i will delete all. Thanks--Carolus (talk) 17:49, 1 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete as per nom or eventually dratify to allow Carolus time to find sources. I would suggest that Carolus submit his articles as drafts in the future as there is a serious lack of understanding of policies and guidelines. creating unsourced articles wastes a lot of time and effort on the part of the community. Domdeparis (talk) 13:23, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Belgium-related deletion discussions.  Jupitus Smart  15:28, 1 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete per failure to comply with WP:V, which is a core content policy above any notability concerns. See WP:DEL6 and WP:DEL7. TonyBallioni (talk) 16:24, 1 August 2017 (UTC)


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