Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/House of Heyngarten


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The result was speedy delete. Blatant hoax Fences  &amp;  Windows  17:49, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

House of Heyngarten

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Hoax? In any case not notable. The lead image was made yesterday, the coat of arms is for "Amhengart" (which doesn't seem to be a notable or actual noble family), the name "Heyngarten" is virtually unknown, sources are for people with names vaguely resembling Heyngarten, Huenergardt, ... The "current head of the house", Archie Huenergardt, is not notable, even assuming that the person with that name is actually related to the others here. Fram (talk) 13:00, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. Fram (talk) 13:00, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Fram (talk) 13:00, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Note that this seems to be an attempt to create this hoax a second time, 11 years after the first one was deleted at Articles for deletion/House of Huenergardt. If they are sufficiently identical, this can be speedy deleted as a G4. Fram (talk) 13:03, 26 November 2020 (UTC)


 * This page is not a Hoax but continuing information added about discovering genealogy if you actually read the sources listed in the article, this same information was on a different Wiki page but moved because it was not related to Seventh Day Adventists but was in fact the same family of J.F. Huenergardt. Just because there is nothing on the internet doesn't mean the information is a hoax.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Huengaud (talk • contribs) 13:24, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, you adding this "house" to the same level of Royalty as the Hohenzollern and the Romanovs makes me doubt that claim. Fram (talk) 14:07, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, indistinguishable from a hoax, unverifiable. The "painting" shown has been generated by the DeepArt.io painting filter, strongly indicating a hoax. – Thjarkur (talk) 15:08, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Admin note: I speedy deleted the article as a cut-and-paste move from Draft:House of Huenergardt, per WP:G6. That was contested so I have restored the article, and merged the draft into it. Anyone with the technical capability can overwrite my draftspace redirect if the result of this discussion requires it, or if you can't for some reason ping me and I'll take care of it. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:25, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - I can't say for sure if this is a blatant hoax or just a non-notable family (Þjarkur's observation strongly suggests the former) but deletion is prescribed either way. I went through a few of the sources and can't add anything to Fram's review; at least one is written by a member of the family. I did the usual search under both "Heyngarten" and "Huenergardt", and in both cases (disregarding Wikipedia mirrors) a number of individuals came up but no evidence that any share a common lineage, nor that the family name itself is notable in any way. While this might be a person's valid research project into their own genealogy, Wikipedia is not Ancestry.com, we don't publish original research. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:36, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete and salt. Almost certainly a hoax, and otherwise pure WP:OR. This 'house' is no more real than the House of Hofferrschloffen. Nsk92 (talk) 17:42, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, WP:SNOW, and WP:SALT. This stinks in every possible way of a hoax, not just by the ways already mentioned but by the fact that of this supposedly-significant noble house has not one member of it as a bluelink - the odds of this many people of a major, or even middling, house not having a single existing article is next to nil...and the fact that the one that is bluelinked, the Bishop of Sion from 1522-1529, was not the person the article claims it to be - the article says "Philip von Heyngarten (Hennegarten)" was the Prince-Bishop of Sion in that period...but if you click on the link, you learn the Prince-Bishop in that time was either Philippe am Hengart or Philippe de Platea depending on who was doing the recognizing - no Heyngarten, no Hennegarten. This is something that was blatantly made up one day. - The Bushranger One ping only 20:50, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, WP:NOTGENEALOGY and completely unconvincing sources. —Kusma (t·c) 22:03, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as a hoax. The image of "Velten and Hans" is actually from a book of traditional folk costumes by Albert Kretschmer, Here's the original image. Two of the coats of arms appear to have literally been made in MS Paint . The editor uploaded a slightly less digitally manipulated version of the "painting" here which looks like it's been through an anaglyph filter and had a hat photoshopped on. Combined with the members of this house not appearing in historical records where they should as noted by other editors above I can only come to the conclusion that this is a hoax. 192.76.8.81 (talk) 22:08, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. ru:Стефан (Stephan, alleged birthplace of Margaret Brauer) is a very common personal name, but Russian WP does not list any places with that name. There is no place in Russian WP called either ru:Черваковка or ru:Церваковка (Cservakovka, alleged birthplace of Sophia Darlinger). "Konrad was the son of Johan Adam Huhnergarth (1771-abt. 1851) and Anna Groh of Russia, a Musketeer involved in the Seven Years' War"; a precocious feat, as the Seven Years' War took place 1756-1763. "Pastor Johann Hindergarten circa (1580-1660) [...] most likely migrated to Hesse area from Saxony due to the Protestant reformation" is difficult to explain, because both the Landgraviate of Hesse and Electoral Saxony had been Protestant since the 1520s; see List of states by the date of adoption of the Reformation. However, the Landgrave of Hesse converted from Lutheranism to Calvinism in 1604 (see Calvinism in Germany), and that could provide an explanation; although it is not supported by the second sentence of the article, "The House of Huenergardt were mainly Protestant Lutheran." As for the places in Hesse - de:Helpershain is now part of Ulrichstein; Allendorff auf dem Lumme ("on the Lumme") is difficult to locate, because there is no geographical feature called de:Lumme, and Allendorf(f) could easily be a typo for Altendorf; Alsfeld exists; Buedigen could be a typo for Buedingen, also in Hesse; de:Bobenhausen II is now part of Ulrichstein; and de:Stumpertenrod exists. Hin der Garten should be hin dem Garten (more properly dem Garten hin, but tinkering with the wording is not uncommon in canting arms). The mantling on the coat of arms is impressive and Germanic, but the escutcheon just looks unstylish and wrong. The loss of the noble particle von from the name at an undetermined date is unusual; it was eagerly striven after, inherited, and jealously preserved. Although the places in Hesse add an "air of verisimilitude" to the narrative, this evidence combined with that presented above by other editors leads me to conclude that this article is at best a misreading of sources, most likely originating off-wiki. Narky Blert (talk) 09:30, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
 * , the places on the Volga exist. Cservakovka is ru:Щербатовка (Волгоградская область). Stephan is Штефан or ru:Воднобуерачное. See File:Volga German area.gif. See also this self-published source of the previous article. —Kusma (t·c) 10:01, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Volga German makes sense. Narky Blert (talk) 10:05, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. Note that, a long time ago, we had Articles for deletion/House of Huenergardt which was closed as delete.--Ymblanter (talk) 11:19, 28 November 2020 (UTC)


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