Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/House of Isildur


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. As it was highlighted in the discussion over several Middle-earth lists, these lists rely on primary sources only. A merge was suggested, which is a reasonable option, though List of Middle-earth characters is only a directory of names. If anyone wants to try merging all these, I will be happy to provide the content. Tone 20:05, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

House of Isildur

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This family tree of anecdotal fictional characters has no reliable third party sources asserting notability and so fails to meet the criteria of WP:GNG. Trivia/fancruft like this belongs at a franchise-specific wiki like the LOTR wiki, which has few restrictions on content as compared to Wikipedia's stricter guidelines. Redirecting to Arnor or a similar article seems appropriate. Articles for deletion/Family tree of House Targaryen is a precedent, and some of the arguments made by Sandstein apply to this AfD.— TAnthonyTalk 19:27, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge with List of Middle-earth characters. Squeeps10 19:34, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 19:35, 5 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete - There are no reliable sources at all being used to support this information, and I am finding nothing but fan sites and mirrors of this article with additional searches. I am not even sure, in this case, if "House of Isildur" was even a term that was ever actually used in any of Tolkien's books themselves to reference this lineage.  Rorshacma (talk) 19:44, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep The topic is notable, being covered in sources such as The Complete Tolkien Companion, the J.R.R. Tolkien Encyclopedia and the The Complete Guide to Middle-earth. Game of Thrones is an absurdly recentist precedent for LotR material as Tolkien came long before Martin and so the stature and scholarship for his work is correspondingly greater. Andrew D. (talk) 19:55, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge to List of Middle-earth characters (whether all of them need to go in, I leave to the experts). WP:NFICT applies here. Notability isn't the real issue, but "Articles on fiction elements are expected to cover more about "real-world" aspects of the element, such as its development and reception, than "in-universe" details.". Currently the content is all in-universe, and thus doesn't warrant its own article (it could be adjudged as an inappropriate CONTENTFORK. Nosebagbear (talk) 22:18, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete the total lack of any outside the fictional universe context dooms this as an unacceptable article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:55, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge per previous.
 * Merge to List of Middle-earth characters Alex-h (talk) 09:17, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge the article with a main article like List of Middle-earth characters.Forest90 (talk) 12:10, 12 August 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.