Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/House of Nobility (Norway)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 21:37, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

House of Nobility (Norway)

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The organisation formally exists (established in 2019), but it's a one-man endeavour which doesn't meet Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion Brox Sox (talk) 20:26, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations, Royalty and nobility,  and Norway. Shellwood (talk) 20:58, 30 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Incorrect.
 * All members of the Norwegian nobility are automatically members of the Norwegian House of Nobility.
 * Thus the Norwegian system is identical to the usual CILANE-regulation which decrees that all national organisations for nobility must practise full acceptance and inclusion of all national nobility as members, and prohibits discrimination between different types of nobility. 89.8.149.65 (talk) 14:04, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Consequentially all of those listed here are automatically members dead or alive:
 * Aristocracy of Norway 89.8.149.65 (talk) 17:31, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, the article is valued part of these projects listed here:
 * Talk:House of Nobility (Norway) - Wikipedia
 * Presuming good will and a mere misunderstanding from Brox Sox, the issue has been cleared up and
 * consequentially, the article should be preserved, not removed, vandalised, or smeared.
 * But there are other issues here we do not appreciate for the record:
 * Your general ungratefulness for all articles Norwegians have spent time and efforts translating to English.
 * You disrespect everything from Norwegian people, to our movies such as "Never again 13" (Aldri mer 13) to articles about Sophie Cappelen, from Hotel Cæcar.
 * Clearly you do not appreciate Norwegians at all, which we are truly glad to find out.
 * "Could you please help improve Wikipedia by translating this article to other languages?"
 * we are told in Norwegian wikipedia-articles.
 * We are not informed that our our efforts to "help Wikipedia out by translating articles from Norwegian to other languages" in-fact means "please do not translate articles from Norwegian to English".
 * Consequentially, all our efforts of writing articles in English at all is done out charity and good will because Wikipedia begs for our help by translating articles from Norwegian to English.
 * No Norwegian has ever felt any need to write anything what so ever in English.
 * We do it out the kindness of our hearts simply because Wikipedia pleads us to do it,
 * and because Wikipedia is free of charge - our natural sense of justice compels us to do something in return.
 * HOWEVER: if our efforts to help Wikipedia improve by conveying Norwegian articles into English in NOT appreciated,
 * like they clearly are not: perhaps you could be kind enough to have that stated in Norwegian Wikipedia-articles up-front which claim the contrary, and stop wasting our time
 * First of all internet is a new phenomena which at best became more than a weird oddity at all - during the past 10 years.
 * This means that all Norwegian information from Norwegian history, books, archives and everything else written in Norwegian between the years 899 AD to 2012 AD of course never has been translated to English,
 * and of course never will be translated to English.
 * The ONLY reason any Norwegians ever bother at all to write English articles for Wikipedia at ALL, is because Wikipedia`s begging of how much they claim "they need our help to improve Wikipedia by translating articles from Norwegian to other languages".
 * In closing, we would like to state for the record:
 * We do not appreciate that kind of ungratefulness in Norway.
 * Nor are we accustomed to such rude behaviour.
 * If someone begs our help to do something, and we help, we expect a "Thank you" in return.
 * In Norway that is considered common courtesy and we consider ungratefulness a sign of corrupt and evil souls.
 * Thus:
 * Having read all your ungrateful has now become clear that our generosity has been wasted and pearls cast before swine.
 * Thus: due to your ungratefulness for our charity and good will we have shown by writing articles in English like Wikipedia begs us to rest assured we will not forget. 89.8.149.65 (talk) 21:07, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
 * CONCLUSION:
 * Ok, you managed to provoke us, so here is what is going to happen:
 * I hereby nominate  Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Norway  for deletion.
 * Reason:
 * None of the other users here can read 1 single Norwegian word.
 * Thus none of you are competent to evaluate or even read 1 single word or reference written in Norwegian.
 * Therefor you have no idea what you are doing.
 * Thus, presuming you at least are intelligent enough to understand that you are incompetent to evaluate references in languages you do not understand, I presume your entire project is deleted, starting with deleting: Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Norway
 * If your page is not deleted by you voluntarily, there are plenty of intelligent Wikipedia-editors I can turn to who will instantly understand that people who cannot read other languages, can not evaluate references in those languages.
 * So: we will keep our eye on you and if any articles related to anything remotely Norwegian should happen to disappear, so will your entire project.
 * Happy now?
 * Good.
 * Goodbye. 89.8.149.65 (talk) 23:07, 2 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Notification : A request to topic-ban user 89.8.149.65 has been tabled at ANI. -The Gnome (talk) 08:54, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:TNT. I am warm to the topic, but this article needs too much editing to save, and deep sources are difficult to locate. Bearian (talk) 15:02, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Considering it's website does not work and the only source that appears to mention it is a Corporate registration, this article fails WP:GNG/ WP:NCORP.Slywriter (talk) 22:39, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. I came to the question of notability here with sympathy for the IP editor 89.8.149.65. After finding that on the Bokmål Wikipedia Ridderhuset is a redirect to the article on the Swedish institution and building House of Nobility (Sweden) (Riddarhuset) and there has apparently never been an article on the Norwegian institution, I thought of asking them on their talk page in my bad Norwegian why this was so, and I note with puzzlement that they write above as if the article is a translation from Norwegian Wikipedia. (Checking Nynorsk Wikipedia, I find that searching the term returns an English summary matching our article, but referring to Wikipdata Q22956452, which is da:Ridderhuset (Næstved), a Danish historic building. There has never apparently been a Nynorsk article on this organisation either.) But then I looked more closely at our article. The opening, "The House of Nobility (Norwegian Ridderhuset) in Norway is a corporation which acts as an interest group and represents the Norwegian nobility. ... The Norwegian name "Ridderhuset " literally translates to "House of Knights", as the knights (Ridder) also belong to the higher ranks of the greater Norwegian nobility" appears indebted to the opening of the article on the Swedish institution: "The House of Nobility (Riddarhuset) in Stockholm, Sweden, is a corporation and a building that maintains records and acts as an interest group on behalf of the Swedish nobility. ... The name is literally translated as House of Knights, as the knights (riddare) belong to the higher ranks of the Swedish nobility". The coordinates point to somewhere off to the southwest of Elingård, and the pictures are all of that manor, now a museum. The article as created by (whose username suggests a connected contributor) has a section presenting Elingård as the organisation's future home. Their website is here, and I can't see mention of their location there. The URL https://www.ridderhuset.no/ shows at the Wayback machine as forthcoming in 2016, parked in 2017 and 2018, redirecting twice in January 2022, eventually reaching this apparent mirror of the other address (Wayback), which is the first reference in the article, and the only one that appears to be about the organisation, as well as being the first external link; its https certificate appears to have expired. In addition to, so far as I can see, not giving its location, the organisation's website is, like our article, mostly about the aristocracy of Norway (Norwegian noble families redirects there but has history). It also contains profuse thanks to the Russian Armed Forces and "Welcome back. Any time." (linking to a speech in which the King of Norway does not, so far as I can see, say that) and a paean to Eric III, whom it refers to as the "Last True, Lawful & Righful King of Norway and the Calmar-Union". (There may be a Norwegian-language version that automated processes won't show me because of my location; if the IP is reading here, please give us a direct URL such as a Wayback link if possible, I for one can read both forms a lot better than I can write. But I wonder whether it isn't a preference to have such things in another language.) As Brox Sox states above, this appears to be a web-only endeavour of one person, Gabriel af Rosensverd, whose coat of arms was uploaded by Norges Adelstand. (I looked to see whether Prince Gabriel himself merited an article to which this could be redirected). No evidence of notability found, substantially a hoax article, I find no way we can keep it ... and to be frank, those two statements on the website make me regret having wanted to give it any publicity. Yngvadottir (talk) 09:15, 4 June 2022 (UTC)


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