Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/House of Pain (Apparel)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. \ Backslash Forwardslash / (talk) 11:44, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

House of Pain (Apparel)

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CSD A7 removed by user whose last edit was over a year ago. I'm not seeing the "significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources" required by WP:CORP. -- aktsu (t / c) 17:44, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep This is one of the top brands in MMA/Weightlifting. It's only flaw is that much of its news coverage gets lost because it shares the same name as a very popular band.  -- Java Kingpin  (t / c)  —Preceding undated comment added 17:56, 3 August 2009 (UTC).
 * Delete   If it is a top brand in MMA/Weightlifting, it should be kept, but there is no evidence of that.  There is a list of famous people, but no references to any endorsements or sponsorship deals. For example, other famous MMA clothing brands include Tapout, Affliction, Punishment Athletics, etc.  Can you compare them?Lattefever (talk) 20:51, 3 August 2009 (UTC)Lattefever
 * A list of sponsored athletes is available here (also sourced on the Wikipedia entry). I don't know of any reference comparing MMA/Weightlifting deals amongst the different brands...it's not likely that such a document exists.  -- Java Kingpin  (t / c)  —Preceding undated comment added 17:56, 3 August 2009 (UTC).
 * That is not completely true. For example, the article states that Ronnie Coleman wears the clothes, but he is not listed in the refernce you provide above nor is it reference in the article. The notability of the athletes in the link you provided is dubious.  On the Tapout page, Kimbo Slice is mentioned as a sponsored athlete.  House of Pain has no one of that notoriety.  Can you give sales figures, employee count, news articles or other evidence to establish the notability of House of Pain? Lattefever (talk) 20:53, 5 August 2009 (UTC)Lattefever


 * Keep The list of fighters House of Pain sponsors is huge, as seen on their website. According to the entry, the brand being "prominently featured" in a major motion picture also sways this towards the keep column for me.  I also believe the entry isn't written in a spammy-type of way, which typically helps me determine whether an entry should be kept or deleted.--Christian B (talk) 21:14, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Pictures of Nasser El Sonbaty and Lou Ferrigno wearing House of Pain Merchandise. Also, note they have a huge, visible presence at local events throughout the U.S..--ExitGhost (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 13:52, 7 August 2009 (UTC). — ExitGhost (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Comment, still not seeing any significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. All links given so far is actually to their own website. Also, them paying people to wear their shirts is nice but I'm not sure that alone establishes notability. -- aktsu (t / c) 14:06, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I suspect that ExitGhost  may be a Singple Purpose Account and may be a sock of User:Java Kingpin.  This is just my opinion.  Lattefever (talk) 14:41, 10 August 2009 (UTC)Lattefever

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Skomorokh  16:27, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 00:46, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep So what if it's not a "top brand" in MMA/weightlifting. According to wikipedia itself, Notable means "worthy of being noted" or "attracting notice." It is not synonymous with "fame" or "importance." Fact is, the company is legitimate and it's worth noting for that reason alone.--Joeyyax (talk) 18:28, 11 August 2009 (UTC) — Joeyyax (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Note to closing admin: Sockpuppet investigations/ChristianBk. -- aktsu (t / c) 04:18, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete No convincing evidence of notability whatsoever. OhNo itsJamie Talk 00:33, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Delete While the name makes it difficult, I can't find anything to support the claim that this article meets WP notability standards.Fuzbaby (talk) 00:49, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * House of delete. Is not up to snuff.  JBsupreme (talk) 07:27, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Interesting to consider whether they become notable by paying famous people to wear their clothes. I think the true test is, when does this marketing strategy start to generate third-party coverage.  The answer here is, not yet.  Dmz5  *Edits**Talk* 22:18, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is a top brand in the industry.  Perhaps the page does need to be improved.  However, it meets all notability criteria.  18thSt (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 14:04, 23 August 2009 (UTC). — 18thSt (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.