Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/House of Piña


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Mkdw  talk 21:21, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

House of Piña

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Bogus. No footnotes or references. There is no Marquisate of Benidoleig. Article says that the third marquis, Fernando Fernandes de Piña, married Sofía of Aragón, daughter of King James II of Aragón who had no daughter by that name.

The 6th marquis, Santiago de Piña y Aragón de Castillo,  supposedly married Yolande of Anjou, daughter of Louis II of Naples. She married Philip I, Duke of Brabant and secondly, Francis I, Duke of Brittany. Maragm (talk) 10:33, 29 October 2018 (UTC) Also, the County of Huesca, title held by the Alberto V, mentioned in the family tree, does not exist. Another made-up title. --Maragm (talk) 11:23, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Spain-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 13:35, 29 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment. You're saying there is no House of Piña and the information is entirely fabricated? If so, this is quite a conspiracy. Spanishhistory created the page, User talk:129.219.21.2 added a list of family members, Frizzysparrow added a family crest, and 68.231.146.162 added more content. The page does have a number of references. Let's look at the Foster translation of Chronicle first. I managed to find a copy online. It does mention a "Fernando Perez de Pina" as in the article. This doesn't really validate any of the content in the article though; the Chronicle is a long-form first-hand account that just seems to touch on the lives of aa few people named Pina. The other references are even less helpful. The Britannica article on the Foster is irrelevant; he's just the translator of the work above. I couldn't find any of the mentioned persons on the Hobbs website. I couldn't access the Instituto de Salazar y Castro article. Overall, the references lend little credence to this house even existing. This is absurd; if this noble family exists, it should not be that hard to find a reference to it. However, I am still having trouble believing that the whole page is a hoax. Why would people take so much effort to make this up? BenKuykendall (talk) 19:54, 29 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete as hoax. Nothing to back it up. Utterly fails WP:V. Srnec (talk) 23:13, 29 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Srnec (talk) 23:13, 29 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete - I find scattered references to a Barón de Benidoleig (different family) but absolutely none to Marqués de de Benidoleig. We don't have to decide whether it is a hoax or not: if they are that obscure they aren't notable. Agricolae (talk) 00:44, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment: I did find a couple of references on a Sancho de Pina (not Piña) who participated in the siege of Benilodeig and, like many others who also participated, was rewarded by the King with land, in this case, the town of Benilodeig, but not the title.
 * Also refs on Ximén Pérez de Pina who died before 1276 according to one of the sources (not 1340 as mentioned in the article) but no mention of a title. This reference mentions Fernando de Pina (p. 211), Sancho and Ximen Pérez de Pina  (p. 212) as participating in the conquest of Valencia, but does not mention the title of the marquisate or that they were in any way related to each other.


 * So there is mention of these early “Pinas” but none that indicate that they were part of the same family and there is no mention that they were titled nobility.


 * Now, when it comes to the title and the titleholders, there is no reference whatsoever on a Marquisate of Benidoleig. If there were such references, we would find, for example, the publication of the  “Real Carta de Sucesión (Royal charter of Succession) which must, by law, be published by the Ministry of Justice in Spain in the BOE (Official State Gazette).  I have added this reference to the BOE in several articles such as  here and, if this title were to exist, there would be references to the official notice on the succession.


 * In the “Present day” section of this article, it mentions that “His Excellency Don Alberto de Piña (1950-present) is a direct descendent of Sancho de Piña”. If that were the case, each of the filiations from Sancho de Pina down to this current titleholder, would have to be referenced. The references that were added are quite misleading since the Chronicle of James I of Aragon would only reference the early Pinas mentioned and their feats in the conquest of Valencia but would certainly not back up the claim of the title or any of the titleholders. The ref to Encyclopaedia Britanica does not include volume or page number so it seems to have been added just to fill in, the same with the last reference, a periodic publication; the url does not take us to a page with info on this title, only the  cover of one of the volumes, without specifying in which volume and in what page we would find info on this title.   So, in short, we have not one reference in this article that would back up the title or the titleholders.


 * Perhaps a checkuser would be required to confirm that all the users and IPs who participated in editing this article are distinct individuals and not the same person or members of the same family. As it stands now, this article should be deleted for lack of references and notability. --Maragm (talk) 05:19, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Just looking at some of the users and IPs who contributed to this article, I find:


 * Frizzysparrow's only edits have been in this article on 31 July and 2 August.
 * 68.231.146.162 Only edited House of Piña, added “Madrid” to article on Duke of Alba, plus added Diego Andrés de Piña in 2012 Formula 3 Euro Series article, replacing Italian Raffaele Marciello. IP made this edit, for example, replacing Raffaele Marciello with Diego Andrés de Piña when reference does not mention Diego Andrés de Piña but Raffaele. Here, IP removes reference as he does in the following edit. Can’t access this page but Raffaele, rather tan Diego Andrés de Piña is mentioned in this news ítem.  IP’s edits were later undone by another IP, adding the corresponding refs.
 * 2601:483:C400:D760:9D99:9F46:42B6:FE34 added this paragraph with no ref and plenty of spelling and grammatical errors.
 * Another IP, added fictitious County of Piña to this article and then added the other non-existant County of Huesca.
 * It is possible to check titles in this official page. In the box "Título", if you put Benidoleig, the only references is to the baron, title that still exists, with the current titleholder who has nothing to do with the Piñas. Also, if you insert Huesca (for claimed title of Count of Huesca), the only reply is for the duchy of Huescar (not Huesca), held by members of the House of Alba.
 * Summing it up, this appears to be a concerted effort by individuals or perhaps just one using IPs and other sockpuppets to promote this family, removing refs such as in the case of IP 68.231.146.162 to replace referenced individual with a member of this family. Maragm (talk) 07:41, 30 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete, per Maragm. That's quite the research, and I'm convinced. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 00:06, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
 * DElete if it really is a hoax. I have to confess being taken in by it.  I was going to say that we have an article for every British title of nobility and should therefore for Spanish ones.  Marquis of Benidoleig would have been my target.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:18, 3 November 2018 (UTC)


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