Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/House of Ranjina


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The result was Keep. (non-admin closure) czar ♔   14:17, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

House of Ranjina

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Unreferenced stub. Could not find sources in English. Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 21:07, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep; moved to Ragnina family.--Z oupan 10:14, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Croatia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:23, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:23, 6 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. I would tend to presume that all patrician families of the Republic of Ragusa were notable. There were only about 25 of them and, between them, they maintained a virtual monopoly of power in Dubrovnik/Ragusa for several centuries (up to about 1800), and their cultural dominance there was not much less. In this case, the corresponding Italian Wikipedia article provides not only far more detail but a bibliography of several works in Italian and a couple of citations from academic papers in English (which, however, if online at all, I suspect will only be available behind paywalls). In relation to the nomination itself, I would remark that trying to depend on English language sources for anything relating to the history of Ragusa/Dubrovnik can be problematic. There are definitely some reliable English language sources, but they tend not to be readily available. Moreover, while recent ones will tend to refer to people and places using their Croatian names, older ones will almost invariably use Italian names which only bear a vague similarity to the Croatian ones. This reflects the fact that, while most inhabitants of Ragusa/Dubrovnik since at least the late Middle Ages have apparently been speakers of a dialect of Croatian, the patrician class generally wrote in Italian or Latin. PWilkinson (talk) 13:17, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - One cannot expect to easily find English-language academic sources for a Croatian/Italian clan which existed in the Middle Ages, certainly not on Google. I'd say that PWilkinson's presumption of notability above is reasonable. Additionally, the topic is historical and the content uncontroversial, making this a questionable target for deletion. ŞůṜīΣĻ ¹98¹ Speak 01:54, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: The nominator has been blocked as a suspected sockpuppet. The alleged sockmaster has been on the receiving end of ArbCom sanctions and, ultimately, a permanent ban. The motives behind the nomination have to be considered questionable. ŞůṜīΣĻ ¹98¹ Speak 02:09, 12 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment. Closing as keep, but wanted to paste two sources I found on JSTOR (the latter more detailed than the former): czar  ♔   14:17, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
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