Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/House of Sherelh'yqo


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Two relists through and no evidence has been presented to support the statements in this discussion that the page demonstrates notability. I therefore find the delete !votes the most persuasive. Daniel (talk) 05:41, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

House of Sherelh'yqo

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Article about a family. No evidence of notability. One possibly notable member of the family. Sources in the article are a dead link and an article that doesn't mention the family. Nothing found that meets SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth.  // Timothy :: talk  02:10, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions.  // Timothy :: talk  02:10, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Turkey-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 10:02, 28 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete - I could find no sources discussing the family/house in depth. I could be failing to find because of poor romanisation of the name/searching in English, although I doubt it given that I found very little at all. ƒirefly  ( t · c ) 18:30, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Pinging who might know more about this.  ~Styyx   Talk? ^-^  19:23, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - Circassian "houses" are one of the, if not the, most important parts of the society and history of the Circassians, in Caucasus or diaspora alike. These "houses", also called "clans", sometimes as large as hundreds of people scattered all around the world. Mostly, they ruled land in Circassia. A lot of land. The house of Ṩərəl'ıqo is a noble house probably known by all Circassians, and I know they've produced a lot of people. Overall I think most Circassian "houses" are noteworthy, especially ones such as this. But I doubt there will be any sources about things such as this in English, just like most things Circassian, as most sources about Circassians are in Russian, and we English speakers only have access to translated works, if any. Also keep in mind there is no standart romanisation of the Circassian language, and everybody just uses what they like, making it even harder to find what you're looking for. ~𝓐𝓭𝓲𝓰𝓪𝓫𝓻𝓮𝓴 𝓽𝓱𝓮 𝓕𝓲𝓻𝓼𝓽~ Contact  07:00, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , Do you have any English or Russian sources to back up your statements above? What you're arguing for seems to fails WP:V.  // Timothy :: talk  22:46, 8 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep - The family is a ruling noble house of the Shapsug princedom - that is noteworthy. While the first source of the article may lead to a now-dead link, the source itself is still written out. The other source mentioned above does mention the family, if section 3 of the article in question is viewed, navigated to below the linked page. Also, as our fellow Wikipedia member above has mentioned, most of the sources about Circassians are either completely in Russian and/or only on paper documents. It is like an iron curtain of literature and we work hard to make them available to English-speaking readers worldwide. - Yahya Kuadzhe  — Preceding undated comment added 23:33, 3 March 2021 (UTC)  — Note to closing admin: Yahya Kuadzhe (talk • contribs)  is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD.
 * Comment Neither of the two Keep votes above cite any sources supporting their claims of notability. The sources added to the article are not about the family (they mention the name), so they are not SIGCOV addressing the subject (the family) directly and indepth.  // Timothy :: talk  00:19, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 11:03, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Notable Circassian royal family per above. Has members like Kizbech Tuguzhuqo. Ambrosiawater (talk) 19:29, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Reply: do you have any sources to support the claim that this is a notable family, notabilty is not inherited from individuals. So far no one has been able to provide any sources, let alone sources with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth.  // Timothy :: talk  22:36, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete per WP:LIST and WP:MILL - there's a single notable member of this family, which was never ruler of a sovereign country. Bearian (talk) 23:40, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:INDISCRIMINATE: an indiscriminate list of non-notable individuals—no indication they pass WP:ANYBIO—and which likewise fails to assert, let alone comprehensively demonstrate, collective notability. I note that at least two out of the three keep !votes above are from relatively inexperienced editors, and while of course their voice is as welcome as anyone's in these discussions, the lack of a policey-basis to their vague assertions should be duly weighed by the closing admin. ——  Serial  12:24, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Go  Phightins  !  11:27, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - absolutely no evidence has been presented that shows that the family itself is a notable topic. Whether an individual member or two are notable is irrelevant. We need sources showing coverage of the family for us to have an article.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:16, 19 March 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.