Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Houston–Rice rivalry


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep.  bibliomaniac 1  5  03:35, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Houston–Rice rivalry

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A non notable collegiate sports rivalry. Sports rivalries are specifically mentioned in WP:NRIVALRY. No evidence of substantial coverage through secondary NPOV sources Cardiffbear88 (talk) 09:44, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
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 * Speedy keep As a Houstonian, the rivalry is 100% real. The article just needs more references. KingSkyLord (talk &#124; contribs) 18:31, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * The rivalry might be real, but that doesn’t mean it necessarily deserves its own article. Do you know where we could locate independent sources that would demonstrate notability? Cardiffbear88 (talk) 20:18, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * As for the football rivalry, see here (regarding formation of the football rivalry in 1971), here, here, here, here, etc. Cbl62 (talk) 17:37, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Personally I’m not sure these are much more than WP:ROUTINE but I will leave it to other editors to assess them. Cardiffbear88 (talk) 18:08, 20 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete and merge per nom. erc talk/contribs 21:36, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. This seems to be a case where to two teams in the same city or state play every now and then and it’s called a rivalry and the rivalry is more between the fans, instead of between the teams and media.-- Rockchalk 717 23:54, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, indeed the rivalry might be real but it doesn't satisfy WP:N or WP:V. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 09:32, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
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 * I'm unsure at this time: The football rivalry appears notable, but it already has its own article.  The baseball rivalry has its own article too (I haven't assessed it for notability but will presume for now that it is notable).  That just leaves basketball and potential for other sports and non-sports competitions.  That seems to me to have navigation benefits and search capabilities that will help to make Wikipedia function just a little bit better.  If I had to choose now, I'm leaning toward Keep but I'm not particularly enthusiastic either way.--Paul McDonald (talk) 15:32, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. Like Paul, I find this one a bit confusing since the AfD does not cover the football rivalry (separate article at Bayou Bucket Classic) or the baseball rivalry (separate article at Silver Glove series). Cbl62 (talk) 17:14, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per the above, this is useful at the very least as an overview of the rivalries discussed at the separate articles. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:17, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Looking at those articles, I’m not sure they demonstrate notability either, again they are very poorly sourced and may fall under WP:YOUNGATH, especially the lengthy list of stats. In all cases, it seems to me that there is a lack of coverage above and beyond local and WP:ROUTINE coverage. Cardiffbear88 (talk) 18:04, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
 * WP:YOUNGATH applies to high school sports and earlier. Inapposite here. Cbl62 (talk) 23:32, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
 * OK but I’m still not convinced the sources you’ve provided are more than WP:ROUTINE or that any of the articles meet the standards required of WP:NRIVALRY. Cardiffbear88 (talk) 00:07, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
 * The references provided in the discussion above are feature articles, far beyond the "box score" standard set in WP:ROUTINE. They are clearly WP:NOTROUTINE.  When we have time, they should be incorporated into the article.  I'm much more solid in my position reported above.--Paul McDonald (talk) 13:28, 22 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep I'm not sure if this is a reliable source, but it does a better job describing what this is than a bunch of game recaps from the 1970s:  also calls it a rivalry, as does the Houston  student newspaper. I would vote to delete based on the sources found above as those don't definitively describe a rivalry, but the rivalry is supported by WP:GNG upon further investigation. This really looks like a big "meh" of a rivalry. SportingFlyer  T · C  18:38, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Just realised there are three separate rivalry articles for football, basketball and baseball - perhaps a merge would be proper? SportingFlyer  T · C  18:40, 22 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep. Not sure "CultureMap Houston" is a WP:RS, "The Cougar" is not WP:INDY, and the CBS Houston piece is a routine pregame story. That said, these sources and others from Newspapers.com do confirm that the cross-town, multi-sport competition between Houston and Rice has been considered a rivalry at least since the early 1970s. Cbl62 (talk) 19:43, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: The Houston Chronicle would likely be the best source for articles on this rivalry. but those archives are only available by subscription. Cbl62 (talk) 19:49, 22 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep. Meets WP:GNG and WP:BASIC per the sources brought forward above. Ejgreen77 (talk) 00:16, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Meets WP:GNG and WP:BASIC per the sources brought forward above. UNC2 (talk) 23:53, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Meets WP:GNG and WP:BASIC per the sources brought forward above. Brian Reading (talk) 23:24, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, BUT we should delete and merge the pages Silver_Glove_series and Bayou_Bucket_Classic into the page at issue here, because I'm not sure they meet notability on their own. Ikjbagl (talk) 02:02, 27 April 2020 (UTC)


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