Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Houston Air Route Traffic Control Center


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. A possible merge (and the appropriate target for such) can be discussed on the talk page. Randykitty (talk) 21:33, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

Houston Air Route Traffic Control Center

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Similar to New York Center, this fails WP:GNG due to lack of third-party WP:RS. The article is 100% sourced to internal FAA documents, ZHU's own web site, and airnav, which is just an automated compendium of directory-style information gleaned from FAA documents.

My own searching failed to find anything better. Low point for air traffic control looked at first like it might be a reasonable source, but it's written by two ZHU union reps, so hardly independent. The rest of what I found is all WP:PRIMARY. -- RoySmith (talk) 18:26, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Aviation-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 18:39, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 18:39, 5 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Merge into a List of air route traffic control centers. There is a whole category of Category:Air traffic control centers, but I do not see any of them being notable on their own. There is a lack of substantive RSs about these to call for individual articles, but I could certainly see a list of them covering the major features. Otherwise delete, it's just a list of airports in a certain region. Reywas92Talk 21:36, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * There is a List of Area Control Centers, but that's not a very useful list; most of the links just go to articles about the cities the ARTCC's are named after. There's also Area control center, which is currently a poorly-sourced article, but that's clearly a notable topic and should be improved and better sourced.  I'm not sure what would be gained by listing every ARTCC there, however.  -- RoySmith (talk) 21:51, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 11:16, 12 January 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 13:12, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep is best I think. Alternatively, it could be merged to List of Area Control Centers, i.e. some info from the Houston article could be used to develop its brief entry in the world-wide list-article.  Also the world-wide list article should probably be moved to a more descriptive name such as List of air route traffic control centers as suggested above, and it obviously should be developed to cover the centers rather than merely link to city names, but that is not for AFD.  However, I think it is okay for the Houston article to include the list of airports it serves, and that is too much to merge into the world-wide list-article, so "Keep" is best I think.  It is okay for editors to split out the content from the world-wide list, and the content is sourced.  I agree it is not a very exciting article though. --Doncram (talk) 01:22, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
 * P.S. Note it would be perfectly fine for each separate airport article to mention and link to its corresponding area control center. Rather than repeating general info about each area control center (like the fact that "Houston Center is the 9th busiest ARTCC in the United States") in all of the separate 25 or so airport articles, it is best to have a short article about the control center.
 * P.P.S. Or think about it this way:  It would be fine to create a 25 or so item category Category:Airports served by the Houston Air Route Traffic Control Center, and then by wp:CLNT it would be fine to have a corresponding list article List of airports served by the Houston Air Route Traffic Control Center.  But we don't need to have a separate list-article, it can/should be a section in the Houston Air Route Traffic Control Center. --Doncram (talk) 01:25, 21 January 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.