Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/How to wash your car

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS. Tony Sidaway|Talk 12:32, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

How to wash your car

 * An article of the kind many Wikipedians call "How-to"s. Georgia guy 22:20, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * So what gives you the right to delete it? I call it a how-to article, or if not right now then one day it will be! Wikipedia needs time in order to grow. It can't just be complete all in one try.  oppose Jaberwocky6669 22:25, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh well, I guess this means that my page is gone. I exercise my restraint in order to avoid calling people bad names! lol Jaberwocky6669 22:58, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Transwiki to wikibooks, Wikipedia is not a place for how-to's.-gadfium 22:31, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep well-written and well intentioned. Could probably use some cleanup so that it reads less like a magazine article, and maybe a rename (perhaps into "Car-washing techniques"), but the topic deserves an article.  If it absolutely cannot be kept, then at least transwiki it somewhere. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd  23:07, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)
 * Someone wanted to move it to wikisource! They thought it was copied from somewhere, but it is originial. Jaberwocky6669 23:14, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename as per St ar bli nd . This information does not appear to fit into car wash very well. --Allen3 talk 23:21, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)
 * transwiki to someplace that takes howtos like this would be good, if they want it. Though you'll have to extend the text and explain all the tiny little details of how to wash wheels and so, and compare makes of soap etc etc. (not to mention waxes :-P ). Doesn't need to be done right away, but it does need doing then. Nicely written articles like this that don't quite fit encyclopedic criteria might be userfied too, and we could do so if Jaberwocky6669 requests it. Kim Bruning 23:26, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I was in the process of fleshing out all of the smaller details until I saw that the article was opposed in its present state. Sorry, for all of the comments but this is my first dose of wikireality! Jaberwocky6669 23:29, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)
 * Transwiki to Wikibooks. RickK 23:32, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)
 * Rename, but Keep - preferably as car washing... expand beyond techniques and discuss reasons for doing it, practical uses as a fundraising device for college clubs, depictions in popular culture (e.g. the famous car washing scene in Cool Hand Luke). -- 8^D gab 23:37, 2005 Apr 5 (UTC)
 * Comment. This article already exists at Car Wash. "Car washing" is inappropriate because articles on nouns are preferred over verbs in an encyclopedia.Halidecyphon 07:59, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Provisional Keep If converted to an enecyclopedic article about car washing, and car washes. Klonimus 00:35, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Provisional Keep If it was re-written and more substance added, it could be a useful addition. As it stands, it's far too light-weight, quite parocial (clearly written with a N American audience in mind, references to warm weather but not cold) with dubious assertions like: " It is known that in a busy parking lot a dirty grungy car will accumulate more knicks and scrapes than a clean car." Well known? says who? Markb
 * Comment. This article already exists at Car Wash.Halidecyphon 07:59, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: Is it possible for an article of this sort to be NPOV? Certainly an article about car-washing techniques, or even about a particular car-washing technique, could be written neutrally, but it seems to me that an article that instructs the reader to do something necessarily advocates that that thing be done. Shimmin 00:23, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)
 * COmment I have begun to work on the article, in my Laboratory, according to the ideas that I have seen here. Jaberwocky6669 03:34, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)
 * Jaberwocky, this article already exists as Car Wash, but could definatly use your improvements. Add the stuff from your "lab," but DO NOT turn it into a "How-to" please. If you want to write a how-to, write it for wikibooks.Halidecyphon 07:59, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep for reasons stated. I was the one who originally posted the Wikisource notice which seems to have started a misunderstanding, now straightened out.  If Jabberwocky is ready and willing to wax this with the "Carnauba of NPOV," I'm for letting it stay.  Remember the one about dishwashing a few months ago?  That turned out pretty good after the how-to was excised and some history added. - Lucky 6.9 04:04, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge any non-"how to" information to Car Wash, and transwiki if desired. Halidecyphon 07:51, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Transwiki. Radiant_* 08:26, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)
 * Transwiki the how-to, any factual info that isn't in Car wash should be merged. Average Earthman 09:54, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Or redirect and merge with Car wash. Style is too breezy and informal. Content weak and could use work. As nearly as I can determine, the frequently cited statement that how-to's do not belong in Wikipedia is a legend. Note that the page How-to practically encourages their creation and notes that they supposed to be "informal." On the evidence of How-to, how-to's are valid topics for Wikipedia. Dpbsmith (talk) 17:53, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, according to Talk:How-to, a lot of the content there and the how-tos in Wikipedia predated the creation of Wikibooks, and many of the authors who had been writing how-tos in Wikipedia (such as theresa knott) decided around December 2003 to start moving instruction manuals over to Wikibooks, which has been happening since.  Uncle G 18:28, 2005 Apr 20 (UTC)
 * delete. Original research. Factual info to be moved to car wash, but not to Car Wash :-). Mikkalai 03:12, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * It is just an article on how to wash a car! No research involved! Jaberwocky6669 04:58, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)
 * I.e., out of your head. That's exactly what "original" stands for. Mikkalai 15:19, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Robinoke 15:11, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep.- Anynomus
 * Unsigned comment by 66.91.63.100 (talk &middot; contributions)
 * Comment. This bears a very strong resemblance to a chapter in "How to care for your collector car," published by Motorbooks. Seems to paraphrase the book. Agwiii 20:34, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * It was not paraphrased either... Look, you can go and reword anything you like. You can NPOV it. You don't need my or any one's permission to do that! Jaberwocky6669 22:02, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * It's a good article, but I don't think it fits in here. Either Create a WikiHow-To (alternatively, WikiDIY) or Delete but then feel bad about it for a while. --Asriel86 23:37, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * Why don't we just keep it how it is. I have changed the article drastically in order to be more encyclopedic. Jaberwocky6669 01:19, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * I've just transwikied Constructing school science lab equipment to the How-tos bookshelf. I'd be happy to transwiki this.  It's not an encyclopaedia article about car washing.  It's an instruction manual, addressing the reader in the second person.  Wikibooks and Delete. (And remember that there's nothing stopping an encyclopaedia article on car washing, when written as per BD2412 and Klonimus, from interwiki linking to the book on Wikibooks, just as beekeeping interwiki links to beekeeping.  Build the web.) Uncle G 18:28, 2005 Apr 20 (UTC)
 * Transwiki. There is a clear policy on this. remember to fix the interwiki links in doing so... -- Egil 04:52, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep: Rename, make "original" reserach less original by citing one of millions of places that talks about these issues... maybe even check out "Idiot's guide to carwashing" and use it as a source. You know... for credibility's sake. gren 19:49, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.