Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Howard Choi


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The result was   no consensus. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:48, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Howard Choi

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He doesn't seem to be notable physican.Who may require a article.Wp:Notable User:Yousaf465 (talk) 17:48, 11 March 2009 (UTC) 
 * Note I've asked the nom to expand their statement. - Mgm|(talk) 10:42, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions.  —David Eppstein (talk) 00:24, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:02, 16 March 2009 (UTC)


 * comment "His awards include an American Medical Association Foundation National Leadership Award (2001) and the Foundation for PM&R New Investigator Award (2004)" according to MSMS website Pete.Hurd (talk) 03:30, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * NOTE: I just restored some content that an IP had removed on 10 March. Apparently the subject is author of a handbook--that may change things (I was about to go delete here). I don't know if it makes a difference, but still. Drmies (talk) 03:43, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep—StaticVision (talk) 15:08, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:01, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete unless it can be shown that the pocket handbook is a major resource. It's not in many libraries, but that isn't the least unusual for such books, which are meant for the individual physician, and not indicative
 * Comment -- Amazon lists several medical books by a Dr Howard Choi. Anyone know if they are all by the the same guy?  That handbook is 134 long.  From the article I imagined it was about a tenth that size.  Geo Swan (talk) 04:13, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I've added the AMA Award (and the other one) to his bio. However, the Leadership award is something distinct from their more notable AMA Scientific Achievement Award -- this one is awarded to students and the like, as explained here. So unfortunately it doesn't look like it alone satisfies the second criteria of WP:ACADEMIC, "The person has received a highly prestigious academic award or honor at a national or international level." It'll have to be decided by the notability of his publications. --Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:32, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Medicine-related deletion discussions.  —Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:59, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
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 * Delete Not notable, also fails WP:PROF. Some of the above comments appear to be ambivalent more or less due to the number of ghits Choi generates. In reality, while Choi clearly is a prolific producer of papers, manuals and the like he has virtually no genuine, reliable, third party coverage. There is nothing that I can find which would suggest that any of his output to date is sufficiently notable for inclusion on Wikipedia. AngoraFish   木  12:54, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Awards and being author of popular handbook makes him notable. LK (talk) 18:28, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, awards do not make someone notable, per PROF, only "highly prestigious academic award or honor at a national or international level." nb the national leadership award is awarded to "20 students, 20 residents and fellows and 15 young physicians" each year. Similarly the Foundation for Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation is a relatively obscure foundation and award is a $10,000 grant. Most active biomedical researchers receive several such "awards" each year, usually for much larger amounts. Also, being author of an alleged "popular" handbook (how popular are you arguing it is, by the way?" I ask since the searches above are struggling to find it) would also not appear to be sufficient to comply with "academic work has made a significant impact in the area of higher education, affecting a substantial number of academic institution". Handbooks are insanely common, they tend to summarize current thought rather than create new thought, and are thoroughly ephemeral unless you can provide sources that state otherwise. AngoraFish   木  21:09, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I am going to repeat that this handbook is 134 pages long. That is book-length, IMO.  Geo Swan (talk) 21:37, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Just being a published author is not sufficient to establish notability, per WP:AUTHOR. The number of pages in a published work is irrelevant. AngoraFish   木  06:04, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I have that beat with my thesis, which was 149 pages long, but the page length of "published works" is irrelevant. It is their impact that is important for establishing notability. Tim Vickers (talk) 18:49, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete, doesn't seem to have authored any important reviews in his subject, or made any strikingly novel and widely-important findings that were reported by secondary sources. Seems a highly competent and promising young scientist, but not an established leader in his field. Tim Vickers (talk) 18:55, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep The American Medical Association awards are quite notable. I don't care how many people get the award each year, is a rather small amount compared to the number of people involved in the American medical field, and you have had to have done something notable by their standards to receive it.  And if this other foundation is giving out a $10,000 award, then he must've done something worth getting noticed.  An award from an unknown is meaningless, but not if it includes a check for ten thousand dollars!  This isn't some guy deciding to print out certificates on his home computer and hand them out to people, obviously.   D r e a m Focus  20:14, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep The handbook is, just barely, enough for notability. DGG (talk) 23:46, 25 March 2009 (UTC)


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