Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Howard Miller Clock Company


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 09:47, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Howard Miller Clock Company

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Long established clock company but no independent sources in the article. Most info seems to be sourced from company website. I can only find information online provided by clock dealers and other commercial listings. Sionk (talk) 20:03, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2012 January 15.  Snotbot   t &bull; c &raquo;  23:28, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 23:58, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

*Speedy close- Withdrawn by nom (above). No outstanding deletion votes. Sources shown to exist. (Update) Struck (see Comment below). Dru of Id (talk) 02:11, 16 January 2012 (UTC) 
 * Keep. A search in Google Books returns tens of thousands of results, from many sources. While it may be necessary to improve the article, it would be foolhardy to delete it. Edward Vielmetti (talk) 00:39, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Comment - I hang my head in shame Edward Vielmetti is absolutely right, there are a significant number of published book sources. I'd like to withdraw this AfD nomination. Sionk (talk) 01:00, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - I was hasty in my reaction to Edward Vielmetti's comment. It was another instance of an editor finding a long list of links on Google and claiming these inferred notability. In fact the major source on the list is a book about the parent company, Herman Miller, with only a brief mention of the clock subsidiary. It fooled me for a moment because the names are similar. I am still undecided whether Howard Miller Clock Company is worthy of its own article. The book Grand Rapids&#58; Furniture City has a photo and a short paragraph about Howard Miller and the company. There are possibly some short pamphlets, of dubious significance. Sionk (talk) 03:08, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Relative to notability: I'd look at List of United States clock companies, and make some rational decision whether we want more red links on that page or less. Many of those corporate biographies are unexceptional in quality and there is a deletionist rationale for wiping out at least a few of them (cf. Self Winding Clock Company). I wasn't able to find a good reference that covered modern clockmaking in America so the various fragmentary corporate histories might be the best we can do for now. (For earlier history, the 1871 American clock making: its early history appears to be the most comprehensive.  Edward Vielmetti (talk) 07:30, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Bryce  ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 01:24, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talk about my edits? 17:07, 29 January 2012 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.