Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hrach Martirosyan


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Hrach Martirosyan

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Not notable. One book, interviews, and lectures do not meet the general or academic notability guidelines: see WP:SCHOLAR. Macrakis (talk) 18:55, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions.  Everymorning   talk  18:59, 9 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep Martirosyan is perhaps the most valuable living Armenian linguist in the world. Yes, so far he has authored one book, but that doesn't mean he's not notable. A simple Google Books search yields 237 results for "Hrach Martirosyan", meaning he has been cited by many other scholars. And Google Scholars shows that his 2008 book has been cited 29 times. -- Ե րևանցի talk  02:44, 10 March 2015 (UTC)#
 * (changed)Delete He was a Manoogian Simone Foundation Post-doctoral Fellow from 2009 to 2010 (A notable visiting scholar fellowship) and therefore an influential member of the Armenian Studies Program of the University of Michigan, which is quite remarkable taking into account these programs have a select procedure at picking its participants. See here for his credentials and here for the actual Fellowship and Chair information. --92slim (talk) 17:48, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment I claim no expertise in Armenian studies. But if we were to include every scholar with a published book and a prestigious post-doc, we'd be including many times more people than specified in WP:SCHOLAR. Perhaps a review of his book says something like "the leading scholar of..." or some such. We just need some evidence of his notability. By the way, the book search above returns many books which do not refer to him, but to other people named Hrach or Martirosyan; anyway, he only gets about half as many hits on Google Books and on Google Scholar as I do. --Macrakis (talk) 20:47, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Found the one - Indo-European Etymological Dictionary. From the article: "The Indo-European Etymological Dictionary (commonly abbreviated IEED) is a research project of the Department of Comparative Indo-European Linguistics at Leiden University, initiated in 1991 by Peter Schrijver and others." I think that a project of such a long duration, linguistic importance and caliber, that includes quite a few authors of diverse languages participating in it should prove the claims of his particular notability as a scholar by his inclusion. If we keep it I will contribute to both articles, as they seem fairly interesting to be honest. --92slim (talk) 22:22, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, it shows that he is a serious scholar. But the criteria at WP:SCHOLAR are much more stringent than that. --Macrakis (talk) 14:24, 12 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I have checked the criterias again, and based on Criterion 1, there is still a possibility of saving the article probably. He participated in these:


 * Featured in the Journal of the Society for Armenian Studies, Volume 19, Number 2, December 2010
 * The IXth International Conference on Armenian Linguistics. Institute for Linguistic Studies. Russian Academy of Sciences - An international conference hosted by the Russian Academy of Sciences, held on November 2012, which probably confirms the following line "invited lectures at meetings of national or international scholarly societies, where giving such an invited lecture is considered considerably more prestigious than giving an invited lecture at typical national and international conferences in that discipline" found in the first criteria.
 * On its 40th anniversary, the Society for Armenian Studies (SAS) organized an unprecedented workshop from Oct. 3-5 at the presidential hall of sessions of the National Academy of Sciences of Armenia, with 42 scholars from Armenia and abroad who delivered papers in English or Armenian. (he could be a member of the SAS, I am not sure of that)
 * “From the toponym to history”, dedicated to the 90th anniversary of Stepan Bakhshyan. Faculty of History, Yerevan State University - a conference of much lesser importance but possibly confirming the part of the criteria 1 that states "special conferences dedicated to honor academic achievements of a particular person".
 * TT 2012 - Jos Weitenberg Memorial Workshop on the History of Armenian. Dr Hratch Martirosyan (Leiden University) (Jointly convened with Dr Ilya Yakubovich, University of Oxford) - A Jos Weitenberg Memorial Workshop
 * Cotsen Institute International Conference at UCLA
 * Let me know your input --92slim (talk) 15:29, 12 March 2015 (UTC)


 * The "in honor of" conferences might be evidence for the notability of Stepan Bakhshyan and Jos Weitenberg, et al., but not for Martirosyan. Being on the program committee of an international conference doesn't count for much. Wikipedia isn't supposed to be an archive of scholars' CVs or a source of bibliographic data. --Macrakis (talk) 19:42, 12 March 2015 (UTC)


 * In that case, we should delete Rick Derksen as well, for example. And maybe Diakonoff. Because neither meet the criteria either if so. Having just one book isn't enough of a reason to delete him in my opinion, because his book has a elevated price in the market, and there must be a reason - which I attribute to his notability. If he was just another author (he is an etymologist, sorry didn't clarify before), he wouldn't sell it for 250 dollars a piece. In any case, I wouldn't necessarily be against the deletion of the article, because it is not going to affect the importance of his work. There are also plenty of pseudo-scholars on Wikipedia we could delete, so I understand your point nevertheless.
 * Just to clarify, the description of his book is key to my decision: "There are many valuable systematic handbooks, studies and surveys on comparative Armenian linguistics. Almost all of these works, with a few exceptions, mostly concentrate on Classical Armenian and touch the dialects only sporadically...This book provides an up-to-date...lexical, phonetic, and morphological material in the Armenian dialects into the etymological treatment of the Indo-European lexicon. In this respect it is completely new." Classical Armenian is not spoken, thus rendering his only book invaluable in my humble opinion. If we were talking about a language that has been analyzed well, then I wouldn't bother to defend the article. --92slim (talk) 21:15, 12 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I agree, Derksen should probably be deleted. But Diakonoff has plenty of evidence of notability, including three volumes in his honor, an article about him (not by him) in the Encyclopedia Iranica, an honorary degree from the University of Chicago, etc. etc. --Macrakis (talk) 21:21, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Re the price, (a) this is hardly an encyclopedic criterion; (b) Brill charges a lot in general; (c) highly specialized academic books have a very limited audience, so unit cost will be high. --Macrakis (talk) 12:58, 13 March 2015 (UTC)


 * That is certainly true. I will use this page as a reference for future edits, as I understand the scholar requirements now - a bit tricky I may say. Let's get rid of the article. --92slim (talk) 17:55, 13 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Armenia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:56, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 13:30, 16 March 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Comment - If kept it would be nice if someone transliterated all the Armenian-alphabet sources into the Latin alphabet. Virtually the whole page is blank for me. Carrite (talk) 20:54, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 01:27, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
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