Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hsin Sheng College of Medical Care and Management


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 02:04, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Hsin Sheng College of Medical Care and Management

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I am unable to determine if this is a college or a trade school. If it is a degree granting university or college, we would keep it as a matter of course. As we cannot tell that, it has no real indication of notability beyond mere existence.  DGG ( talk ) 23:22, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Will reconsider if evidence of status as a secondary school is found. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:47, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep Based on added sources I am satisfied that this is a degree granting secondary school. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:47, 13 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. "Vocational school" in Taiwan is not necessarily a secondary school. Hsin Sheng College of Medical Care and Management is neither a university nor a secondary school. It is a technical institute or junior college. It has 5-year curriculum as a 5-year junior college and 2-year curriculum as a 2-year junior college. Students graduate with the equivalent of an associate degree.--Quest for Truth (talk) 14:17, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Taiwan-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:11, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
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 * Keep. Colleges are considered notable by long-standing precedent and consensus. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:59, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 01:40, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

 
 * Delete. Keep. See comment below. Per nomination. The link showing Ministry of Education (MOE) in the title is a pdf with information on the college, it is not an authorisation nor an endorsement from the MOE so adds no weight in favour of the notability argument. The only result returned by a search at the English MOE Taiwan web site returns a spreadsheet showing that they have two foreign students. A search in Chinese returns nothing. ► Philg88 ◄  star.png 17:15, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
 * @User:Philg88: This pdf can be found from MOE in the following way: On the MOE official web site, click on "技專院校" (technical and vocational institutions). It links to a website led by MOE and maintained by Chien Hsin University of Science and Technology (UCH), as stated at the bottom right corner of the web page. Then click on "專科學校一覽表" (list of vacational schools) and the Chinese name of HSC can be found on the right. It is a link to the pdf. So I see this as an endorsement from the MOE. If you want a more solid evidence in English from MOE, I would suggest you to go to the MOE official website in English. Click on "School Information" then click "Universities, Colleges & Junior Colleges". It links to a spreadsheet prepared by MOE and with a title "List of Universities & Colleges". HSC is listed on the 165th row. This is clearly an authorisation from MOE. The search engine of MOE is faulty. A better way is to use Google to search through or . For instance I can find a list in pdf which has a title "103學年度教育部核定技專校院各校【五專】招生科組名額一覽表" (List of enrolment quota of MOE approved technical and vocational institutions [5-year vocational] in the school year of 103rd year of the Republic) and shows the "核定招生名額" (approved enrolment quota) of each department of technical and vocational schools. HSC is on the list, so it indicates approval from the MOE. Searching for reliable sources about HSC is not easy especially when the sources about HSC in English are very limited but the notability of HSC should not be undermined. --Quest for Truth (talk) 11:11, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
 * @User:Quest for Truth: Your thorough research tips the balance back in favour of notability - I didn't realise there was a fault in the MOE search engine, which explains why I didn't find anything. I've changed my opinion to "Keep" but it might be an idea to add the references you found to the article to avoid a future AFD listing. Best, ► Philg88 ◄ star.png 11:26, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Northamerica1000(talk) 08:52, 9 February 2014 (UTC)


 * The normal standard we have keen using is not what a school calls itself, or is called by the government, but whether it offers college degrees, as contrasted to certificates. Where the nomenclature is different, the usual standard for making the equivalence is that a degree requires completion of secondary education plus at least 2 or 3 years of further full time study. In the US, most junior colleges offer the AA Associate in Arts degree, a two year degree considered the equivalent of the first two years of a US undergraduate college. They also generally offer a variety of shorter programs leading to a certificate. Most US trade schools in the past offered certificates, Currently, the better of them also offer a two year program leading to an Associates degree and many of the are changing their name of College... or Junior college ... etc.
 * Elsewhere, it of course varies. As I understand it, in the UK, higher education in the past in many professions including law, architecture, accountancy, and the like has not led to formal degrees, but to certifying exams of some sort. We normally count them if they require the same length of time as a UK bachelors degree; the pressure from the US educational system seems to leading to more of them offering academic degrees. In Australia & Canada, the US system is now generally followed, In India, the US system is now standard, with the complication that many of what would be US colleges or even graduate schools do not technically have degree granting power; they offer a certificate on the basis of which an associated university which does have degree granting power provides the degree, automatically without further examination. This is apparently on the point of changing to a closer approximation of the US system.
 * Based on our articles, which appear seriously out of date, China now has a system basically similar to the US. I think it would be extremely valuable to update and expand these articles, and doing this is immensely more important than whatever we decide here. '
 * Though an American, I have worked a good deal with material on the Indian system; despite the apparent chaos, there is usually enough material in English on the web to figure out what is going on. If there is not, I don't work on the article. For China, I do not always find such material. As I said earlier, I could not figure out what was the status of the institution.   DGG ( talk ) 22:12, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
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