Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Huang Minhui (diplomat)


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The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. (non-admin closure) asilvering (talk) 01:42, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Huang Minhui (diplomat)

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PROD objected without valid reason. No sources can be found online. Maybe the de-PRODer got confused with the sources providing coverage to Huang Min-hui, who is a Taiwanese. There are also a lot of sources about other people with similar (Chinese) names, but nothing about this subject turns up. Timothytyy (talk) 09:30, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians and China. Timothytyy (talk) 09:30, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women, Bilateral relations,  and Peru.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 11:09, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of ambassadors of China to Peru (with the history preserved under the redirect) per Deletion policy. I was unable to find significant coverage about Huang Minhui in my searches for sources. A redirect with the history preserved under the redirect will allow editors to selectively merge any content that can be reliably sourced to the target article. A redirect with the history preserved under the redirect will allow the redirect to be undone if significant coverage in reliable sources is found in the future.  Cunard (talk) 02:01, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment: Pinging, who removed the proposed deletion. Pinging , who wrote, "I translated the article from another Wikipedia -- perhaps the results appear only in Chinese web results? For example regarding Huang, I found that there's a fair amount of coverage in Peruvian media. If nothing does come up in the end I understand the nomination and subsequent deletion of both articles." 180app, do the Peruvian sources provide significant coverage of Huang Minhui? Strong sources would discuss her biography, while insufficient sources would only mention her participation in an event, for example. I am willing to change my position if significant coverage is found. Thank you, Cunard (talk) 02:01, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I checked again and most articles deal with the latter, although a few results down I did find this book for example which, on pages 63-64 (65-66/96 on the PDF) speaks of her career, dating back to the 1970s and ending in her retirement in 2015. I'll add this information to the article and I'd be happy to read your feedback after these changes are made. 180app (talk) 04:49, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for finding this source, . From a Google Translate of this page: "The Peruvian Network for a Globalization with Equity – RedGE is an inter-institutional alliance of non-governmental development organizations, unions and social movements that promote the generation of an alternative vision of a national project that promotes conditions of equity in the globalization process." I see no indication that this source is unreliable, but I am not familiar with this source. If it is a reliable source, then it provides very detailed coverage about the subject and is a strong source.  The source notes: "El caso más interesante es el de la ex Embajadora en el Perú, Huang Minhui quien fue destacada como cuadro político de Pekín en el segundo semestre de 2011, durante los primeros meses de gobierno de Ollanta Humala, hasta que en julio de 2015, tras jubilarse de una larga carrera diplomática, fue reemplazada ... Huang Minhui estuvo vinculada a este lado del planeta desde la década del setenta. Fue testigo de excepción de importantes procesos como las primeras reformas [long list of events] ... Incluso, le tocó ser observadora en la Organización de Estados Americanos (OEA) en el periodo en que surgía la Unión de Naciones Suramericanas (UNASUR) y se daba forma a la Comunidad de Estados Latinoamericanos y Caribeños (CELAC) como contrapeso político al organismo de integración hemisférica con mayor influencia de Estados Unidos."  From Google Translate: "The most interesting case is that of the former Ambassador to Peru, Huang Minhui, who was highlighted as a political cadre in Beijing in the second half of 2011, during the first months of Ollanta Humala's government, until July 2015, after retiring. After a long diplomatic career, she was replaced... Huang Minhui was linked to this side of the planet since the seventies. She was an exceptional witness of important processes such as the first reforms [long list of events]... She even had to be an observer in the Organization of American States (OAS) in the period in which the Union of South American Nations (UNASUR) emerged and The Community of Latin American and Caribbean States (CELAC) was shaped as a political counterweight to the hemispheric integration organization with the greatest influence of the United States."  There is further coverage. From Google Translate "... Which was enhanced by the Strategic Partnership Integral of 2013, in which Huang Minhui was a key player."  and "... She defended Shougang's labor policy at times when there was a strong labor conflict ..."  Notability (people), which says: "People are presumed if they have received significant coverage in   that are,  of each other, and .If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability." If  is reliable, Huang Minhui is very close to passing Notability (people), which says, "multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability". I am striking my support for "redirect" but am not supporting "keep" yet since she is not over the notability line yet. Are there any additional sources that cover her? It is fine for those sources to provide less significant biographical coverage since multiple sources can be combined. Cunard (talk) 06:36, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * With limited amount of coverage, I believe adding some content about this subject in the list article would be nice since there is a little bit of useful information we can provide. Timothytyy (talk) 06:53, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I haven't found much more but I did find two articles that name her as the wife of fellow diplomat Li Jinzhang (Portuguese Wiki article): the first is an article from the Chinese Embassy in Brazil's website and the second is from the website of Itaipu Dam in Paraguay. 180app (talk) 07:55, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * , thank you very much for sharing the name of her husband, Li Jinzhang . This allowed me to find, which is a second source that provides significant biographical background about her. These two sources about her, combined with the other sources discussing her participation in events during her career as an ambassador, allow her to meet Notability (people). Cunard (talk) 10:18, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Notability (people), which says: "People are presumed if they have received significant coverage in  that are,  of each other, and .If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.</ul>" Sources <ol> <li>Selection of the two strongest sources that provide significant biographical background about her:<ol><li>, which I discussed above.</li> <li> The article notes: "李金章的夫人黄敏慧也是一位大使，2011年12月20日，黄敏慧被任命为中国驻秘鲁大使. 2015年，黄敏慧的大使生涯即将进入尾声，5月下旬初的数日之间，中国民众都从电视上见到了这位清痩的中国女大使. 一连数日，黄敏慧大使屡屡发声，她的名字广泛地出现在中国各大报纸和网络媒体上. ... 黄敏慧曾是自1971年中国和秘鲁正式建交44年以来，中国派出的第13位大使，也是中国派驻南美洲国家的第1位女大使. ... 中国驻巴西大使李金章只比夫人黄敏慧大使年长1岁，... 李金章和黄敏慧夫妇都是西班牙语高翻出身. 在近10年的最初外交生涯里，夫妇俩曾给党和国家领导人邓小平、李先念、杨尚昆、万里、胡耀邦、赵紫阳等做过翻译. " From Google Translate: "Li Jinzhang's wife Huang Minhui is also an ambassador. On December 20, 2011, Huang Minhui was appointed as the Chinese ambassador to Peru. In 2015, Huang Minhui's ambassador's career was about to come to an end. In the early days of early May, the Chinese people saw the Qingye Chinese Ambassador from TV. For a few days, Ambassador Huang Minhui repeatedly spoke, and her name appeared widely on major Chinese newspapers and online media. ... Huang Minhui used to be the 13th ambassador sent by China to China and Peru in 1971, and the first female ambassador to the Chinese country in South America. ... Chinese ambassador to Brazil Li Jinzhang is only one year older than his wife Huang Minhui, ... Li Jinzhang and Huang Minhui are both Spanish-speaking. In the first diplomatic career in the past 10 years, the couple had translated the party and state leaders Deng Xiaoping, Li Xiannian, Yang Shangkun, Wanli, Hu Yaobang, Zhao Ziyang, etc." </li> </ol> <li>Additional sources that cover Huang Minhui's participation in events. These sources contribute less to notability but provide enough information about the activities she did as an ambassador to contribute to notability under Notability (people), which says, "multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability". The sources:<ol> <li> The article notes: "中国驻秘鲁大使黄敏慧举行新春招待会，秘鲁外交部长龙卡略洛、文化部长佩拉诺、内政部长洛萨达等政府官员、各界友好人士、在秘华侨华人和中资企业代表近３００人出席. " From Google Translate: "Huang Minhui, the Chinese ambassador to Peru, held a Spring Festival enrollment. Peruvian Foreign Minister Long Carolo, Minister of Culture Paramo, and the Minister of the Interior Losanda, friendly people from all walks of life, nearly 300 representatives of the secret overseas Chinese and Chinese -funded enterprises attended." </li> <li> The article notes: "而此前担任中国驻秘鲁大使的黄敏慧已在一周前举行了离任招待会. 据中国驻秘鲁大使馆官网信息，（6月）23日晚，黄敏慧大使在官邸举行离任招待会. 黄大使深情回顾了在秘鲁度过的近四年时光，向秘政府和各界友人的大力支持表示感谢. 她在致辞中强调，中秘全面战略伙伴关系近年来得到深入发展，两国各领域合作成绩喜人，她很荣幸成为见证人. 黄敏慧是在2011年11月接替赵五一出任中国驻秘鲁大使一职. " From Google Translate: "Huang Minhui, who had previously served as the Ambassador of China in Peru, had held a leaving enrollment a week ago. According to information on the official website of the Chinese Embassy in Peru, on the evening of the 23rd, Ambassador Huang Minhui held a departure enrollment at the official residence. Ambassador Huang looked back at the nearly four years spent in Peru and thanked the secret government and friends from all walks of life. In her speech, she emphasized that the comprehensive strategic partnership of China Secrets has been developed in recent years, and her cooperation in various fields of the two countries is honored. She is honored to be witnesses. Huang Minhui replaced Zhao Wuyi as the position of Chinese ambassador to Peru in November 2011." </li> <li> The article notes: "Chinese ambassador in Lima, Huang Minhui, stressed the excellent relations between Peru and China and said ... The Asian senior official also took part in the awarding ceremony to honor indigenous leader Ruth Buendía ..." </li> <li> The article notes: "La embajadora de la República Popular China en Perú, Huang Minhui, visitó la ciudadela de Caral, considerada la civilización más antigua de América (5,000 años) y Patrimonio Cultural de la Humanidad por la Unesco, informó hoy el Gobierno Regional de Lima. ... Psoteriormente, la embajadora fue recibida por el presidente regional de Lima, Javier Alvarado, quien agradeció su visita y la invitó a recorrer otros atractivos turísticos de las provincias limeñas." From Google Translate: "The Ambassador of the People's Republic of China in Peru, Huang Minhui, visited the Citadel de Caral, considered the oldest civilization in America (5,000 years) and Cultural Heritage of Humanity for UNESCO, the Regional Government of Lima reported today. ... Subsequently, the ambassador was received by the regional president of Lima, Javier Alvarado, who thanked her visit and invited her to tour other tourist attractions of the Lima provinces." </li> </ol></li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Huang Minhui to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 00:45, 27 November 2023 (UTC) </li></ul>
 * Keep: There appears to be enough coverage to meet notability. I added some additional details and sources. Others with a better understanding of Chinese and Peruvian sources can add more at a later date. Rublamb (talk) 14:55, 27 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep Addition of information by Rublamb and 180app has clearly demonstrated notability. --Grnrchst (talk) 08:32, 1 December 2023 (UTC)


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