Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hudson Shakespeare Company


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   speedy keep. I'm withdrawing the AfD in view of improvements. (I may make some additional ones)  DGG ( talk ) 01:36, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Hudson Shakespeare Company

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local festival. extensive listing of productions violates WP:NOT. but even if it were removed, there still isn othing for ntoability except routine notices)  DGG ( talk ) 05:54, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

[In Defense of this article] The article is patterned after other similar articles on Wikipedia such as "Hudson Warehouse", "Woodward Shakespeare Festival", and "Pennsylvania Shakespeare Festival" and many other similar articles that speak of a theater or festival performing Shakespeare (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Shakespeare_festivals).

How are all of these other articles that are similar in content and format, OK to remain on WP and this article isn't? All of these other articles on Shakespeare theaters or festivals list the same things that this article does such as
 * organizational history
 * founder/leader information
 * past productions
 * where they perform.

The list of productions has been edited down to only include the last two years. This can be further modified if need be. What is the criteria for a section like this?

As for being notable, (i.e worthy of inclusion on WP) one of WP's criteria is that the group/person/event be recognized by other verifiable sources. The article contains several references to outside publications and city entities that recognize what the group has done such as the "Connecticut Post" and the "Jersey Journal". The company is notable from a historical perspective in that its been operating for nearly 25 years in New Jersey and is affiliated with several communities within New Jersey and also Stratford, CT. The first two companies listed above, "Hudson Warehouse" and "Woodward Shakespeare", have been operating for 10 years. How are these groups MORE notable from a historical perspective then this group that has been around twice as long? How are they MORE notable as they list the same type of content, as this articles does, and again not being questioned for deletion?

Further, there is a section in the article itself which lists "Notable Achievements". They include:
 * 1) The company's founder was recognized for contributions to his community through the Hudson Shakespeare Company by the "Jersey Journal", the main newspaper of this section of New Jersey.
 * 2) Several members of the company were published in a book in 2014 whose subject matter is Shakespeare and Theater.
 * 3) Award nominations in a long running New York City theater festival.
 * 4) One of its productions was highlighted in the New Cambridge press edition of "Two Noble Kinsmen". a scholarly edition of individual Shakespeare plays similar to the "Penguin Shakespeare" or "Arden Shakespeare" series. This is a recognized scholarly institution verifying the company's mission to do lesser done Shakespeare plays.

In summary AGAINST deleting this article:
 * 1) It follows WP criteria for articles in that its historical and ongoing activities are verifiable by noted outside sources.
 * 2) The article is patterned after other like theater company/festival articles, both in content and format, already on WP that are NOT being questioned for deletion.
 * 3) Its notable from a historical perspective in how long its been operating and it's connection to several communities in New Jersey.
 * 4) Contains notable achievements such as an award where its founder was recognized for service to the surrounding community, noted in two literary publications and recognized in peer award nominations.

I submit if that these other articles on theater groups are not being questioned for deletion and the "Past Productions" list has been edited down than there is no ground for this article on "Hudson Shakespeare Company" to be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sbari7057 (talk • contribs) 14:32, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica1000 14:44, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Jersey-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica1000 14:44, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. NorthAmerica1000 14:44, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

[In Defense of this article] The original complaint that got this article listed for possible deletion was an “extensive listing of productions violates WP:NOT” The section has since been shortened to contain only 2 years worth of information. However, there are several live articles on Wikipedia that have extensive production lists and have not been singled out for deletion. The original productions section contained a listing of productions ranging from 1992-2014. As has been stated in a previous posting this article was designed to match up with other similar Wikipedia articles. Each play listing linked to a related Wikipedia page if it was applicable. To illustrate this point of existing Wikipedia articles on Shakespeare festivals having extensive production credits but have not been singled out for deletion, here is a list:
 * Atlantic Theater Festival (listed on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Shakespeare_festivals)
 * Baltimore Shakespeare Festival
 * Bard on the Beach
 * Shakespeare in Delaware Park
 * Georgia Shakespeare Festival
 * Houston Shakespeare Festival
 * Illinois Shakespeare Festival
 * Nashville Shakespeare Festival
 * Oak Park Shakespeare Festival (listed on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Shakespeare_festivals)
 * Pendley Open Air Shakespeare Festival
 * Shakespeare Santa Cruz
 * Shakespeare in the Park (New York)

Each of these are live Wikipedia articles that have extensive production listings where some contain links to existing Wikipedia pages. So why the bias against this article Hudson Shakespeare Company? Why are the articles cited above allowed to have extensive production credits and are not being considered for deletion, while the Hudson Shakespeare Company article is? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sbari7057 (talk • contribs) 18:07, 29 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep- Professional repertory company established in 1992 with 22 seasons, numerous productions, exstensive touring, educational outreach, and as above...Djflem (talk) 18:28, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep The article admittedly needs work. It's written with a promotional tone, there are several WP:MOS issues and other editing needed, but there is sufficient references from reliable and verifiable sources about the company to justify retention. Alansohn (talk) 20:29, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
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