Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hudson University


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Law & Order (franchise). Merge as an WP:ATD. Missvain (talk) 22:47, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Hudson University

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Name of fictional university that appears in a number of unrelated works, from comics to some TV dramas. Basically a WP:FANCRUFTy list of "works that this name appears in". The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing General notability guideline and the more detailed Notability (fiction) requirement. WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar. Ineligible for prod (was tried in 2011, declined), so here we go. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 07:24, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
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 * Comment, there is significant coverage here. SailingInABathTub (talk) 11:26, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep It's easy to find sources such as Secrets of Hudson University; New York Times; Scouting NY; Hudson University in New York;Dick Grayson's College;&c. As it has become generic across several fictional universes, like Oxbridge, a separate page is necessary. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:43, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , The first source cites the NYT piece. The NYT is a good start but it misses the comic book angle. The third is a blog. Fourth just screams unreliable (another blog or such). Fifth is about comics only. I don't think we are meeting the threshold for GNG/SIGCOV, plus arguably the use of the name in TV and in comic books are separate issues. Really, NYT is the only half-decent source here and I don't think it is enough to build an entire article on. Maybe a redirect to Law & Order would be ok, except the entity is not even mentioned there at all (WP:EASTEREGG issues...). No prejudice to it being mention in some List of DC comics locations, I guess. But a SYNTH list trying to argue this entity is notable b/c it appears in a number of works is not a good idea. You know, OR, etc. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 05:01, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - The NYT piece is not half-bad, but everything else is either derivative from it, plain unreliable, or mentions the entity in passing. Few paragraphs in NYT are not enough to make something notable. - GizzyCatBella  🍁  06:57, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete or redirect - The overall topic doesn't meet the standards to pass WP:GNG, so it doesn't need an article at this time. TTN (talk) 14:18, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  05:01, 28 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep Just deleting this information after the New York Times article shows that it is a topic of general interest seems a disservice to the users of Wikipedia to me. But of course policy want's other arguments, too: In addition we have the Screen Rant article, which I don't see at all as a mention in passing. That is about the comics version, true. But if these were not separate topics, WP:GNG would be fulfilled, right? In addition to the presented secondary sources, the Gothamist also has a short article dedicated entirely to the subject: Most Dangerous College In NYC: "Hudson University", and that ties the TV and the comic version together, so this is neither original research nor synthesis. The same is supported by a section dedicated to Hudson University in FLASHBACK: All Star Team Up (s01e18). On another note, I would not be fundamentally opposed to a merge, but given the broad distribution of this fictional entity (which is what makes it so interesting!) I did not find any parent article where it would reasonably fit. Daranios (talk) 10:46, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * As I noted above, a summary of TV appearances/significance, based on the NYT piece, would belong in the Law & Order. As for the comic side, it is pretty poorly documented (outside plot summary), so I am not sure if there is anything to rescue here - the location can be mentioned briefly in relevant plot summaries but doesn't deserve a stand-alone article unless it has been the subject of SIGCOV going beyond ALLPLOT, which doesn't seem to be the case. It's interesting that the same location appears in diverse media, but sadly, I don't see this fact being discussed in reliable sources. Unless I missed some more significant reception/analysis of the comic book side? (And even that, arguably we are talking about two entities here: Hudson University (television) and Hudson University (DC Comics), whose merging together appears like a WP:SYNTH. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 05:03, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
 * It should be noted that the article in the Gothamist that seemingly ties the TV & DC comics version together is using this very Wikipedia article as its source to do so, so I don't think we could actually count that one as a reliable source due to that. Rorshacma (talk) 05:00, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Merge to Law & Order (possibly the filming section) which is where it mostly appears, incorporating info from the NYT article. The other appearances in fiction are less relevant.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 12:38, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge to Law & Order (franchise) as its most notable use is as a recurring setting across the franchise. The only strong source here is the NYT and otherwise Hudson is just a mention in the other fictional properties. Merger is a satisfactory alternative to deletion and compromise based on the above discussion. czar  06:52, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   08:34, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge to Law & Order (franchise) - The only genuinely in-depth coverage in a reliable source is the NYT article, which is mostly on the specific version that reoccurs in the Law and Order franchise. Rorshacma (talk) 05:00, 1 June 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.