Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hugo E. Martinez (3rd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  09:40, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Hugo E. Martinez
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Non-notable subject that does not meet WP:BASIC. Coverage found in searches for independent, reliable sources is limited to quotations from the subject, short passing mentions and name checks. The primary sources in the article and found in searches do not serve to establish notability. Subjects are not given a free pass for an article based upon their position in a religious organization; notability requires significant coverage in multiple independent, reliable sources, which does not appear to be available for this subject. North America1000 15:25, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. North America1000 15:28, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. North America1000 15:28, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
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 * Keep General Authorities of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are default notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:43, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment – There is no default notability for LDS General Authorities whatsoever, and no guideline page states such. Sorry, but the personal, made-up notability standards stated above are not aligned with actual notability on Wikipedia at all. North America1000 01:26, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
 * There is actually no default notability at all - see WP:INHERIT. &#91;Username Needed&#93; 12:36, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Redirect to List of general authorities of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Contrary to what the above editor claims, proposals to exempt LDS leaders from the WP:GNG have consistently failed to achieve consensus support (see examples in 2014, 2016, 2017, and 2018), so the subject has to be evaluated under WP:GNG. Most sources currently in article are not independent under WP:IIS (Liahona, lds.org, Church News reprinted verbatim in Deseret News) that do not count toward establishing notability. (Note that the previous AfD failed to account for the fact that some Deseret News coverage is simply reprinted Church News and therefore not independent even though Deseret News sometimes produces independent coverage.) The other two sources are 1) two mentions of subject's name in routine coverage of church activities in The Spectrum, and 2) 140 words in an 1800 word Daily Herald story on new leaders in the church. That's not significant coverage, and search does not find sufficient coverage in independent reliable sources to meet WP:SIGCOV, only the usual passing mentions in routine coverage and brief quotes reprinted from church sources. A sensible alternative to deletion is to redirect to List of general authorities of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, where information on the subject already exists. Open to alternatives if in-depth coverage emerges. Bakazaka (talk) 03:09, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 01:10, 25 September 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kpg  jhp  jm  02:11, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Delete There is not a single feature in this biography that deserves a WP entry. Perhaps a much shorter version fits in a list of LDS leaders, but it does not meet even the minimum requirements of notability. Otherwise, we should open entries for plenty of people in leadership positions who have not reach remarkability in the public arena. Caballero / Historiador⎌ 16:07, 2 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete no claim to notability, there is no inherent notability for his position. Lacks independent coverage. See also comments at Articles for deletion/Robert C. Gay. --Bejnar (talk) 01:09, 9 October 2018 (UTC)


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