Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hull University Union (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus to delete, recommend merging and redirecting to Hull University ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 02:53, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Hull University Union
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For a simple reason, this article serves a purpose to promote the student union and nothing else. Also, god knows if individual student unions are notable in its own right, hence not notable at all, therefore fails WP:N, this is why this is nominated. Also I wish people don't come here and write as if they are writing a holiday brochure. Knock-Off Nigel (talk) 13:58, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Hull University TRAVELLINGCARI My storyTell me yours 14:09, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep the Union is separate from the university and is a notable entity to which all of the students belong. It needs referencing and some clean-up but should remain. Keith D (talk) 17:40, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment, but the article doesn't states why it is notable. Knock-Off Nigel (talk) 18:02, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete This union is no more notable than any other - it certainly fails to assert any notability through use of reliable third-party links - all references are links to the SUs own site. Some unions, like that of say Oxbridge or similar, may be notable. The vast majority, this one included, are carbon copies of one-another, and are not notable enough for their own entry. Talk Islander 20:36, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, Almost all colleges have a student union. Unless it has some kind of special history or architecture or something, it is not notable. Paddy Simcox (talk) 08:29, 5 March 2008 (UTC) — Paddy Simcox (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Oh gee, now I'm an SPA because I noticed a proliferation of student union articles. I also speedy delete tagged a lot of articles, which you can't see because they're mostly gone now. At least I'm not arguing that student unions are "inheritently notable". Paddy Simcox (talk) 02:59, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Using an account mainly for one thing - in your case prodding and deleting, can often be construed that way. Please be civil; attacking others simply because they have a different view of notability isn't very civil. Mostlyharmless (talk) 04:59, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per Keith D. Student unions are inheritently notable. GreenJoe 16:38, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * This GreenJoe guy is the one who undid the propose deletion tags on all the student union articles I found, and marked my opinion as coming from an SPA. He seems to have overlooked my efforts to clear out non-notable concert tours, make redirects and do a few other things that interest me. Paddy Simcox (talk) 03:06, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - why? Where does it say that SUs are inheritently notable? I don't believe that.. Talk Islander 16:40, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:ORG. AN organisation with thousands of members every year for decades. That's where notability comes from. Mostlyharmless (talk) 02:47, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment, As I have said on my other comment, student union are notable...but only to those who study at the university and never to those who study outside these faculties because...the students get told about them on their freshman week, thats why. Personally I agree with Paddy's comment that every universities have a student union, try name one that haven't, therefore I won't be buying into GreenJoe's comment that every one are inheritently notable. My pure reason to nominate this for deletion is, this article is nothing but pure spam, a total misuse of this site of you all tell me, plus there is nothing that is salvageable in this site for it to stay. In all student unions are only notable to those who studied at the faculty, not to mention that every educational faculties have one. Knock-Off Nigel (talk) 23:14, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * AFD is not cleanup. The union like any such union gets covered in the local papers from time to time although distance from london and general lack of causeing trouble will likely keep it out of nationals for the most part.Geni 18:17, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately the local newspaper removes its on line articles after 6 months so looking on-line is not particularly useful and you need to look at the originals at the local studies library. Keith D (talk) 19:27, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * So? just because something only exists on microfilm doesn't mean that it isn't a valid source.Geni 20:44, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No the issue is that it's local coverage only. Student unions are of interest to the local populations that they serve, which is why they fail WP:CORP TRAVELLINGCARI My storyTell me yours 20:54, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Generaly unions stick to serveing students. The wider community does tend to take an interest from time to time (traditionaly rag week but there are other reasons). Local newspapers are not normaly run by the student union.Geni 20:56, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Sorry I think you took my comment the wrong way round. I was just attempting to point out that on-line sources may not be available to show third party coverage of the subject. Keith D (talk) 21:02, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep Reasoning for failing WP:N poorly conceived. TorstenGuise (talk) 19:46, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No, not at all, as this is what I have been recommended to do. Knock-Off Nigel (talk) 11:27, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Strong Merge - the info here is better served by including it with the main article.--RedShiftPA (talk) 02:12, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * There is no main article.Geni 14:02, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes there is - University of Hull. Talk Islander 14:05, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No that is about the university. For very solid legal reasons unions tend to be seperate bodies.Geni 19:00, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * ...However, the union would not exist without the University, and it's in the University's best interest to aid and promote the union. Yes, the two are legally different bodies, but the two are so reliant on one another that for all intents and purposes they can be regarded together. Talk Islander 19:11, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Not really. One is an education and research institution the other is focused on more social issues.Geni 20:32, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm impressed - you managed to completely ignore my entire stance on the matter, and state yours again regardless. Very helpful. Talk Islander 21:37, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Hull University Union was viewed 364 times in February, and University of Hull was viewed 3813 times in the same month. So (if they scroll down) about 10 times as many people are reading about the Union on the University's page. From this perspective, a merge is better for all concerned. Paddy Simcox (talk) 01:53, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Those stats do not have any relevance to this debate. Mostlyharmless (talk) 08:30, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, do WP:RS, WP:N and WP:ORG have relevance? Because the article fails all three. In any case, I wasn't saying to get rid of the article because it has few views, but to make people feel better if it is merged or deleted. Paddy Simcox (talk) 13:37, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Merge and be civil. There are no arguments for notability except that "inherent" and that is not backed by any precedent. Matchups (talk) 02:58, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge to the University article. I'm unimpressed by the claim that "student unions" are legally independent entities.  Maybe so, but generally so are alumni-run college sport booster clubs, and we don't have separate articles for them.  Every college has these student unions, their "membership" seems to dovetail with the student body count, they lack reliable sources discussing them in non-trivial contexts (when was the last time you read a newspaper article about your local university's student union?).  Etc.    RGTraynor  16:04, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - as with other organisations, student unions need the necessary secondary sources to meet WP:ORG. This one hasn't and doesn't. TerriersFan (talk) 22:55, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.