Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Human Rights Abuses by the Special Task Force


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete after merging. AmiDaniel (talk) 23:14, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Human Rights Abuses by the Special Task Force

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Blatant POV Fork, brazen attack page, unencyclopedic and seemingly indescriminate collection of information. Due to the nature of this article and its title, however much it is revised, it cannot to be brought under numerous Wikipedia policies especially WP:NPOV. snowolfD4( talk / @ ) 18:17, 31 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Merge, then delete - merge any useful referenced information from the article into the "Allegations of human rights abuses" section of Special Task Force, then delete this article as a POV fork. I am willing to do the merge (and subsequent cleanup) myself if a consensus is reached.  I reject deletion on the basis of "brazen attack page", "unencyclopedic", or "WP:NOT". - Black Falcon 18:31, 31 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Merge as suggested by Black Falcon. The existence of such allegations is widely noted in reliable sources, and has much more potentially lasting importance than an episode summary for your favorite TV show.  Labelling an article with this title suggests endorsement of the allegations, and is difficult to write and maintain in NPOV fashion.  Barno 21:43, 31 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Merge as per Barno and Black Falson, RS sources are used however I do have quams about merging it with article Special Task Force, who's quality is vastly inferior due to it's use of un-reliable sources, though this can be rectified. --Sharz 00:22, 1 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Merge or Rename. The article mirrors articles such as Terrorist attacks attributed to the LTTE, Notable attacks attributed to the LTTE and Assassinations attributed to LTTE, which also can be considered POV forks. This may not be exactly according to the rules, but it is a clear case of WP:IAR, because it cools down edit conflicts. Given the heat of the conflict, it worked out well that we have these current events in separate articles. I voted "Rename", rather than "Keep" because the name does not exactly mirror the LTTE article names, so I assume it should contain the word "attributed". &mdash; Sebastian 02:05, 1 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Strong delete ..The whole article is based on weak logical fallacies and on the pure hatred that user has against anything srilankan.. WE already have 2 articles related to human rights in Sl, and why on earth we need seperate one for STF ? Do we need seperate articles for human right violations by Prabhakaran, Human right violation by Pottu amman,Human right violation by Anton balasingham,Human right violation by Sea tigers, human right violation by LTTE police etc..this is rediculous !! The whole argument is based on some Invidual actions taken by some STF individuals..hoｗon earth we generalize this and accuses STF ?!!
 * if you still dont get it let me explain ..
 * if a german tourist engaged in act of paedophilia ,can we create an article name "Human right violation by germans"?
 * If a american soldier rapes a japanese lady, can we create an article name "human right violation by US army"?
 * If an indian　soldier steal something from a shop,can we create an article name "Human right violation by the indian Army"?
 * If NO is the answer for all above questions,how on earth we say some actions by the STF personals should be categorized as "human right abuses by STF" ??
 * editor should prove GOSL or the Higher ranks officers of STF were personally involved or directed these actions..if not, this should be immediately directed to a place in the dustbin.finally wikipedia should not be a place to express your personal vendetta.
 * thanks--Iwazaki 03:30, 1 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment - I have performed the merge and am currently in the process of cleanup. If you disagree with my action or feel that it was premature, please feel free to revert my edits. -- Black Falcon 03:46, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Black Falcon, kudos for all the work you did, but the question isn't about whether the sources are reliable or not. For one are things like

On 23 March 2005, STF members allegedly threatened Anura Kirithi Rajah, an organizer for an employees union at a textile factory. The president of the union also received a death threat.
 * notable? Also, simply packing an article with such accusations, none of which have been proven, and most of which have been done by indivudual soldiers, just dilutes Wikipedia and needlessly opens it up for abuse.
 * Also, take a look at the US Army article. It doesn't contain any mentions of massacares or such. The IDF article just has a section titled critisism, which is more than acceptable. Wikipedia is not a place to list every single such accusation. We can't just do a Google search and copy everything that comes up onto Wikipedia, which appears to be what has happened here. --snowolfD4( talk / @</b> ) 04:56, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * If you note the current version (I just finished cleanup), I have deleted a great deal of the irrelevant details. In addition, I support deleting a number of the statements currently there, including:


 * "On October 9, 2002, eight ethnic Tamils were shot and killed by the STF during a pro-Tamil demonstration outside the STF's camp in Kanjirankuda[26]"
 * "On March 23, 2005, STF members allegedly threatened Anura Kirithi Rajah, an organizer for an employees union at a textile factory. The president of the union also received a death threat.[27]"
 * "On January 5, 2007, STF personnel and members of the Sri Lankan police raided the regional headquarters of the Tamil Rehabilitation Organisation (TRO) in Trincomalee and Vavuniya. The organization's Colombo office was raided, without a warrant, by police the next day.[28]"


 * The first doesn't give enough details (e.g., where the shootings possibly provoked). The second and third are hardly noteworthy.  Essentially, after all is said and done, I probably deleted >80% of the text of this article pre-merger.  I do believe, however, that the text of the intro and disappearances sections should be kept (perhaps as one section).  I can be swayed on the "Extrajudicial killings" section, but that's probably more a matter for the article's talk page.  I am in favor of having a more general section titled "Criticisms" that lists general facts (like the disappearances and the book qutoe) rather than specific sections.  If you like, by all means do so.  I decided to do the merger so that potentially useful information would not be lost, but I ended up deleting most of it myself.  Go figure.  Black Falcon 05:23, 1 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment - Although I have tagged the page with Template:R from merge, I still believe it should be deleted as:
 * The article was created by essentially 1 user and much of the text was copyvio (including the entire "Extrajudicial killings" section), so very little history will be lost.
 * No articles link to this redirect (just some talk, user, and AfD pages).
 * The title is POV. Black Falcon 05:31, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

The whole Extrajudicial killings" section ,as you have correctly pointed out must go to a place in the dustbin..We can keep the disappearance  part,as it ,true or not, directly accusing the STF ..And it should be under a category, like "criticism" just as the IDF article..IF raiding the TRO is a crime, then raiding every single Al-Qaeda cell is a crime..TRO is a proven pro-LTTE organization and regular raids should be carried out in order to safe guard the innocent people of SriLanka..SL have certain rules such as emergency laws, to combat terrorism and using them cant be categorize as "Abuses"..If you read the points i made earlier, this article could create havoc here..The whole wikipedia may go crazy if maniacs start making "Abuses" articles ,insulting every single institution in the world !! If someone from the NHK sexually harass a lady ,can we create an article name "Suxual abuses by NHK employees" ??.Common sense says we Cant..But this article gives us the impressions, WE CAN..thanks--Iwazaki 06:58, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * reply to Black Falcon- First a big thank for spending your time in helping to make this a better article..Hats off to you !! BUT certain issues still remain to be solved..I would say immediately.As you have correctly pointed out the whole abuses section was made by just one editor ,who posses an extreme hatred towards anything SriLanka..The whole thing is a copyvio and thoroughly unencyclopedic ..Some of these accusations such as threatening a union leader is absolutely not notable..Even if its true, how on earth we accuses the whole STF for that ??.
 * I agree. No matter how well-sourced a statement is, and no matter how reliable and neutral its source, it should not be kept if it is irrelevant or trivial.  I've made three changes so far: (1) I renamed the section title to "Criticism"; (2) I deleted the "Abuses of rights" section -- one threat and an instance of a raid are hardly sufficient to condemn an entire institution; (3) I deleted the 9 Oct. 2002 shooting incident as the circumstances of the shooting are not made clear in the source -- it may have been an accidental shooting, a provoked shooting, etc.  Criticism of an institution should, as you note, refer to a pattern of behavior by its members.  The disappearances section makes such a claim (responsibility for 5% of disappearances over a period of 9 years).  As you note, it's truthfulness is not at issue--it is verifiable and that is all that is needed and relevant.  As for what's left of the "Extrajudicial killings" section, I am considering a way to trim it down because, even putting aside POV concerns, it just reads awkward and disconnected from the rest of the text.  I will watch the page over the next week or so to see if POV is reintroduced into the section.  Thank you for your comments and your acknowledgement.  Cheers, Black Falcon 07:21, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


 * reply..Black falcon, you have done an excellent job here..I know its not easy to shape up and trim a really mess like this "abuses sections", but you have put a tremendous effort..kudos for that !! I hope you will make adjustment to the "Extrajudicial killings" too..As this,you have correctly pointed out,make no sense at all.Also, thanks for promising to keep an eye on this ,for a while..I have the feeling that, this editor might pop up soon and start messing this article again.--Iwazaki 05:19, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know who started this article or why, but I don't want to automatically assume that it was a bad-faith creation. He or she may have simply thought that this was enough information to merit an article of its own.  I have added one more sentence to the "Extrajudicial killings" section but really can't think of any other changes in the absence of additional sources.  As per your concern above, I have noted at the start of the subsection that the examples given are of "extrajudicial killings involving members of the STF" (emphasis added), and thus not necessarily sanctioned by the STF itself (this last part is implied, but to write it in might violate WP:NOR).  I am currently working on topics related to other countries--Iran and Yemen--but will periodically check the STF article for potentially NPOV material (given that the STF is an active organization, I suppose unsourced accusations might even be libelous). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Black Falcon (talk • contribs) 05:52, 3 February 2007 (UTC).


 * Delete per above reasons etc... Mathmo Talk 13:45, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge with STF article RaveenS 17:32, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge then delete as per Black Falcon, merge has to be based on WP:RS  &#327;ë&#359;&#924;&#466;&#324;&#287;ë&#343;  Talk 05:51, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Merge then delete The merge should be done with WP:RS cited information only, and this seperate article should be deleted.Kerr avon 12:56, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete No content.--Sefringle 23:54, 5 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Strong delete: Per nomination. This article is nothing more than a blatant POV Fork, brazen attack page. -- ♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪  Walkie-talkie |undefined 04:58, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment: Merge Completed - to Special Task Force. I guess the page will now either be deleted or left as a redirect from a merge. Black Falcon 05:01, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.