Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Humanitarian bombing


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Legitimacy of the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia. Clear consensus to not keep. Less clear if it should be deleted outright or merged, but several of the people arguing to delete also indicate a selective merge would be acceptable, so going with that. This should be a selective merge, only moving the most significant and well-sourced material, with regard to WP:UNDUE. I encourage whoever does the merge to read the full discussion here and use that for guidance. Leave a redirect.

A minor complication is that this term has also been used with respect to Libya. If we've got an existing article that discusses the term in that context (or one is written in the future), feel free to turn the redirect into a WP:DAB page. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:35, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

Humanitarian bombing
Not only did Václav Havel assign "humanism" to the ILLEGAL bombing of Yugoslavia, targeted predominantly against civilian targets (hospitals, bridges, admninistrative buildings etc.) - which legally is defined as TERRORISM (see TERRORISM DEFINITION) -, but his father Václav Maria and gay uncle Miloš also made propaganda films for Adolf Hitler, NSDAP and the Third Reich during the WW2 in their Barrandov Film Studios. During the so called "communist dictatorship" the "dissident" Václav Havel owned and drove multiple western - imported luxury cars, including Mercedes-Benz (see Václav Havel's private automobiles), which none of the millions of the Communist Party members, the highest ranked not excluding, could ever afford and would ever dare. It is obvious that not the authors of this article, but the promoters of its deletion are PROPAGANDA AGENTS. Václav Havel was a FREEMASON (see VACLAV HAVEL FREEMASON) - so who are the deletion promoters?! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.87.32.16 (talk) 16:39, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
 * TRUTH = PROPAGANDA? CENSORSHIP = TRUTH? Wikipedia = BATTLEFIELD?!


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Significance? Looks more like anti-NATO Putinist-style propaganda rather than a proper article Openlydialectic (talk) 15:14, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Redditaddict69  15:42, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Yugoslavia-related deletion discussions. Redditaddict69  15:42, 2 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment – WP:TNT (Blow it up and start over) may be applicable here. I can't say whether or not this should be deleted, renamed, merged or kept, but this seems to be mostly notable, especially due to its inclusion in The New York Times. If it is deleted due to the propaganda aspect, it should probably be recreated, as long as there isn't any bias. Redditaddict</b><b style="color:#339900">6</b><b style="color:#3399FF">9</b> 15:46, 2 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment well what about whataboutism? I see more references to this as a euphemism in the Libya/Syria conflicts than the Serbia one. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 02:50, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge (selective) to Legitimacy of the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia (or alternatively NATO bombing of Yugoslavia). This a POVFORK, but there is merit to present the Russian view there.Icewhiz (talk) 06:25, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 06:25, 3 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Neutral/Undecided - I will come back soon to this. It is true that this term has been more frequently used to report the incidents of Middle Eastern and North African civil wars. शिव साहिल/Shiv Sahil (talk) 16:58, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep per my comment below. शिव साहिल/Shiv Sahil (talk) 16:03, 11 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Selectively merge to Legitimacy of the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia; used in this context, so a mention is warranted, but not as a stand-alone article. K.e.coffman (talk) 00:17, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Why? This subject also covers bombing in Libya. शिव साहिल/Shiv Sahil (talk) 15:57, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 13:19, 9 September 2018 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep Cleanup required, but that isn't a reason for deletion. Nom hasn't provided any real policy-based reasoning for deletion. AusLondonder (talk) 02:39, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom: no indication that this term has any lasting significance. Nick-D (talk) 08:31, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Black Kite (talk) 09:59, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Selective merge to Legitimacy of the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia. This is a minor part of the conversation about the legitimacy of that war/bombing campaign.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:45, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - Delete the article, and copy whatever relevant (if any) to Legitimacy of the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia. --Jay (talk) 02:16, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete since the subject is evidently not independently notable, if at all. Despite the convoluted prose of the nomination itself, as above, the article indeed does not merit a place in Wikipedia and should, at best, be confined to a Merge of whatever can be sourced to "Legitimacy of the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia." -The Gnome (talk) 09:03, 25 September 2018 (UTC)


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