Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hummer (band) (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete. The sole dissention from delete is a suggestion to merge, which didn't gain any support. -- RoySmith (talk) 20:32, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Hummer (band)
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Relisting for further discussion following a NPASR closure where there wasn't enough participation after three relists. The issue here remains that the band has no strong claim to passage of WP:NMUSIC, and no strong reliable source coverage -- and we're much stricter about both of those things now than we were when this was created ten years ago. This was a one-off collaboration between musicians who were previously or subsequently associated with more notable bands than this one ever was -- but the problem is that the separation creates competing candidates for a potential redirect: Ron Hawkins as the only member who actually has any WP:BLP notability as a standalone topic in his own right (and the sole reason this band ever satisfied any earlier version of NMUSIC in the first place), or FemBots as the band that the other two members subsequently went on to form. And because of that target conflict, I'd still prefer to just delete rather than redirecting this. Bearcat (talk) 15:09, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - as per the previous instances. No notability whatsoever. Karst (talk) 15:11, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  JudgeRM   (talk to me)  18:27, 10 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Merge. Per my view in the first AfD, the Allmusic bio is sufficient for sourcing basic facts about the band, and it was significant enough to be covered somewhere in articles about McKinnon and Poirier's bands. Dig Circus or FemBots are probably the best merge targets, but the whole set of related articles could really do with looking at to see which can be sourced properly and which should be merged elsewhere. --Michig (talk) 06:03, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Dig Circus have already been merged, as I did check deeply enough to determine that they cannot be sourced up to contemporary standards anymore. And you still never answered my question last time as to why a redirect to FemBots should be privileged over a redirect to Hawkins — Hawkins is (a) the only one of the three who actually has his own independent notability as a valid topic for a standalone BLP separate from any band he was in, (b) the sole reason this band was ever a legitimate article topic in the first place (because "independently notable member" was an NMUSIC criterion, while "members who went on to form another band but weren't independently notable outside of that" was not), and (c) overwhelmingly the likelier candidate for why anybody might ever actually have heard of this obscure local one-off project in the first place (because he was significantly more famousish than either of the FemBots to start with, and still is). So what I'm still waiting for is an explanation of why FemBots should be the preferred redirect target: why on earth would all of that count for less than "vocalist + guitarist"?
 * It's entirely possible to use the AllMusic bio to source the fact that this project existed in both Hawkins and the FemBots articles, which can still directly link to each other in that context, while deleting the title because there are two competing topics with valid claims to a redirect — but you're simply ignoring the fact that Hawkins has an at least fully equal, and arguably stronger, claim to the redirect as compared to FemBots, and I don't understand why. Bearcat (talk) 15:26, 11 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete -- no notability whatsoever, and Merger/Redirect option is not viable since there are two competing targets. K.e.coffman (talk) 00:33, 15 August 2016 (UTC)


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