Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hungarian Slovak Gypsies in the United States


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus as to which would be the ideal merger target, but that does not require continued discussion here as deletion is not in play. Star  Mississippi  19:35, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Hungarian Slovak Gypsies in the United States

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Not sure why do we need an article on such a specific topic. What's an "Hungarian Slovak Gypsy"? Or have Gypsies from Hungary and Slovakia been artificially combined together? The sourcing of the article is poor too, many sources only cite info relevant to Hungarian Gypsies while other sources just mention a lot of Hungarian Gypsy musicians. All of this info could be easily integrated into another article, such as Romani people in the United States. Super  Ψ   Dro  18:38, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Ethnic groups, Hungary, Slovakia,  and United States of America.  Super   Ψ   Dro  18:38, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * http://www.smithsonianeducation.org/migrations/gyp/gypstart.html
 * the Smithsonian, Harvard University, Dr. Ian Hancock, Roosevelt University, Oberlin college, Pittsburgh University, Cleveland State University, Professor Steve Balkin, and far too much more to list, but these highest places that recognize The Hungarian Slovak Gypsies in America is not enough for you? How much more do you need, do they all need to get involved and make this look as ridiculous as it already is.  Try doing some research, you obviously don't know what you are talking about. Take it from the Experts, the do know. Gypsyviolins (talk) 19:32, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Just who are you to say why this is needed, do you see the citation saying this is Part of a series on Romani people. Just what did you look at to check anything. The John Brenkacs orchestra was in the 1920s, my grandfather is the cimbalom player on the picture and all the rest are related. My grandfather died in 1943. Why do you ask questions on specific GYPSIES and not know the answer. I wrote the book "Gypsy Violins Hungarian Slovak Gypsies in America" and also wrote this Wikipedia on them. They deserve to be on here just as much as anyone else. You question if Slovak and Hungarian Gypsies been artificially combined, would you like to talk to Dr. Ian Hancock on this issue, he will back up everything on this and is the leading expert of Roma. What qualifications do you have. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gypsyviolins (talk • contribs) 19:02, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Unsigned comments don't suggest notability either. Please refrain from personal attacks Oaktree b (talk) 03:41, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:27, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * On the combination of topics, the terms "Hungarian-Slovak Gypsies" and "Hungarian-Slovak Roma" do appear to be used in sources - note the hyphen. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:11, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Then a solution could be moving this article to make it a general one about this subgroup, and not only centered in the US. Super   Ψ   Dro  08:59, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:33, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge to the "Romani in the USA" as suggested, removing most of the fluff in the article though. It's too wordy for what it is. Oaktree b (talk) 03:43, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Some of the sources aren't acceptable (database listings or pintrest). at the very least, we need subsections and headers before we can do much with the article. Photo used in the article also has a dubious Creative Commons license attached to it, also nominated for deletion. Oaktree b (talk) 04:04, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment: I have found an article, Gypsy style, which would be an excellent repository for the material of the article in question. "Hungarian Gypsy Music", which has enjoyed a certain popularity in the West, is not the same as traditional Roma music (which uses its own scale), although, by tradition, the musicians in the small Gypsy style orchestras are ethnic Roma.


 * Gypsy style music is musicologically Central European Romantic, with standard scales and rhythms and a prominent violin..The musical motifs are based on traditional Roma music. Brahms's Hungarian Dances, though played with a larger orchestra, are one example of the musical style.--Quisqualis (talk) 00:13, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:30, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment "Hungarian Slovak Gypsies" means, Gypsies born in (or tracing their ancestry to) that part of Hungary that is now Slovakia. It would be wrong to call them "Slovakian Gypsies" when they and their ancestors had never lived in Slovakia. And this article is not about all Hungarian Gypsies, just those who originated in that part of Hungary. Maproom (talk) 22:09, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep and oppose merge. The nominator's main issue seems to be with the specified degree of intersectionality being identified in the topic. The sources do indeed address that intersectionality in detail. I would further note that this type of specification is now common in academic publications in the social sciences. Studies in diasporic movements frequently examine identity through the lens of intersectionality where different aspects of geography, culture, social constructs (gender, religion, race, sexuality, etc.), etc all intersect into the way people groups and individuals within those groups experienced geographic displacement. I'm not really seeing anything wrong with the topic as defined, although the article could definitely use a re-write. I don't think a merge is warranted because it would add undue weight to the target article.4meter4 (talk) 04:22, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * The term does exist in scholarly literature, but it is strange we don't have an article or even a redirect on Hungarian Slovak Gypsies (I'll create a disambig for now). For now, I'd support a merge of the referenced content (big chunks of the current article are unreferenced) to Romani Americans. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:42, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.