Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hungarian contestants on international beauty pageants


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. No arguments for deletion aside from the nominator. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:32, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Hungarian contestants on international beauty pageants

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This article is a list of seemingly unnotable Hungarian participants in beauty contests and falls foul of WP:NOTDIRECTORY and possibly WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:10, 11 April 2010 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget  01:44, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions.  --  Ray  Talk 21:01, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - The standards for lists are significantly looser than those for articles as they are seen as a helpful guide to navigation. The only possible bars to this list are that the entries on it require dual notability (notable for being a beauty pageant contestant, and for being from Hungary) and that there has to be sufficient content to defeat the allegation that the list is overly specific.  Both of those seem fine here, so the only remaining critierion is that the list "contributes to the state of human knowledge", which it does, in an albeit minor way. See WP:SALAT for the relevant policy. (Note in WP:DIRECTORY that the criterion "Non-encyclopedic cross-categorizations" relates only to articles, not lists or categories, both of which deal with that issue separately, at WP:SALAT and WP:OVERCAT respectively.) - DustFormsWords (talk) 07:34, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Per WP:STAND, lists such as this are articles and are not exempt from policies such as WP:NOT. Interpreting the policy to fit lists is a different question altogether, but WP:DIRECTORY most certainly does apply to list articles such as this.  Them  From  Space  05:07, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - I'm the author of the article. I've created the page to collect all the Hungarian beauty pageant winners in one page, who participated the most notable international beauty pageants. Almost all the Hungarian version of these pageants (for example Miss Universe Hungary for Miss Universe) are already written. Maybe the list itself doesn't "contribute to the state of human knowledge" but if separate articles can be written for not notable beauty pageant winners (just one example is Monika Zguro who was Miss Albania in 1993 but wasn't even a semifinalist in Miss Universe 1993), a list (and not separate articles) can be written, too. I know there are some separate articles of Hungarian beauty queens, but these articles aren't my work. --Perfectmiss (talk) 20:10, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Keep (weak) Personally, I think this is a useful collection of information not easily findable elsewhere on wiki. I could imagine it as an article in a (Hungarian) encyclopedia.  I do agree that it's pretty close to the line.  David V Houston (talk) 11:51, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.