Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Husky (commentator)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Obviously discussion about the possibility of a merge could continue on the article talk page. Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 06:38, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Husky (commentator)

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Alright, call me an idiot, but I really think we ought to attempt to establish what the guideline is on these commentators. Artosis and tasteless, two more famous people (at least in korea) don't have articles, mainly because I decided that they probably didn't have enough coverage, as most of it was sort of like the coverage below. I know that there are a couple interviews, but the question becomes, is this really significant independent sourcing? This is a neutral AfD. It needs to be determined what the interpretation of GNG is for esports commentators. NativeForeigner Talk/Contribs 08:16, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep & Comment - the final ref, though published on Eurogamer features a freelance writer who's only written one article for Eurogamer. Notability would have to be established for this source.  His about me page may shed some light.  The NPR article is written by a programmer for NPR, and not a writer.  I'd like to see established notability here as well. The PC Gamer article is written by the site's editor, so I'm satisfied there.  The YouTube channel is definitely a situational source, but is fine for what it's used for (also it's his official channel, so that has some merit).  The ART Tecnhica article looks fine to.  I see no reason to delete.  However in the spirit of establishing precedent the sources should really scrutinized, looking at both the URL and the author, as it seems like freelancer writers sneak in on these sorts of articles. --Teancum (talk) 14:07, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: Notability isn't an issue for 1-2 article freelance writers. If their work is published by a reliable, fact-checking source, then their experience, or lack thereof, is completely irrelevant. Should they make a mistake, the editorial team is expected to correct it. Wikipedia doesn't judge each writer separately unless the site's own reliablility is called into question; as far as I know, this is not the case with Eurogamer or NPR. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 16:58, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Redirect: Notability (people) doesn't give much explicit information regarding this, but I'd go with WP:ENTERTAINER for this person. Given that this person is really only know for commentary for the StarCraft series, I'd think that this is not enough for a biography. I don't see any problem mentioning him in StarCraft (series), similar to how some of the more prominent competitors are mentioned in StarCraft and Super Smash Bros. Melee. Regarding the sources, I agree with Jimmy. The sources overall are considered reliable because they have editorial oversight on the content, include that by freelancers. But again, the sources mainly deal with just his role as a commentator. So even if they are reliable, they don't paint a broad picture of notability. (Guyinblack25 talk 18:59, 23 November 2010 (UTC))
 * Comment: I also see no deciding factor in the sources themselves that can adjudicate a deletion. To my knowledge, the only other roles that Husky has are to organize tournaments (with pro gamers) and upkeep a popular website dealing with Starcraft II content.  Since this internet casting is a relatively new phenomenon at least in North America, perhaps it would be worthwhile to establish a separate page about game casting and relay Husky's article there.  There is already a page established for pro-gamers here where many popular gamers are found in its sub sections.  However, that page would not be suitable for Husky's article since it is concerned with Starcraft: Brood War and mostly Korean content.  However, Husky is mentioned in the section participation outside of South Korea.  Thoughts?*Cc (talk) 22:04, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. This article utilizes multiple independent reliable sources that help establish enough notability for an article. Perhaps not in its state a day ago:, but after completely rewriting the article within Wikipedia's notability guidelines, I don't see why this article should be deleted or redirected.  Artichoker [ talk ] 23:13, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  -- Jclemens-public (talk) 00:22, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 00:16, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge somewhere I don't have an objection to the content, as it is sufficiently sourced. However, the content makes for an extremely weak biographical article. The content seems to address a trend, of which Husky just happens to be an example. The sources are about video game commentating and the people who do it, they're not really about Mike Lamond. If we have an article about video game commentating, that would be the ideal place to have this content. All the other commentators who have sources but lack notability could also be mentioned there. Ham Pastrami (talk) 01:41, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep, set aside of his StarCraft II commenting, he also published a parody song (which can even be bought on iTunes, by the way, which’s revenue will be given to charity) less than a couple of weeks ago which already has more than 3 millions visits, I guess such a number has some weight about showing his popularity, and probably more important, it proves he’s not just notorious as a video game commentor. If the article is currently weak, it should be simply be improved rather than deleted or even merged. — MetalGearLiquid &#91;chat&#93; 04:22, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

Hey this guy is a shameless self promoter and even mentioned his damn wikipedia page in a cast he did. I really think this should be up for deletion when there are far more important figures in the greater SC2 community who do not have pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.28.118.76 (talk) 11:51, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

I agree to the person above. There are also far more important people involved in gaming in general that do not have their own page, rightfully so. Clogging Wiki with material that is by no means encyclopedic is vandalism imo. 92.252.86.97 (talk) 04:54, 7 November 2011 (UTC)