Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hutch (Sound Engineer)


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The result was Keep due to nominator withdrawing and the rewrite done by Skmorokh after most delete opinions had been made. Davewild (talk) 08:30, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Hutch (Sound Engineer)

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An article on the guy who does sound for Queens of the Stone Age. OMGzorz, this fails WP:N like it's going out of style. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 01:09, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete: Fails WP:BIO, says that he is not even a part of the band but just an extra member they use, i would have tagged this one for CSDA7. Tiptoety 01:48, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete: Non notable. If anybody feels he actually is, then merge to Queens of the Stone Age.  Didn't think so. - Rjd0060 05:11, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete Or merge as Rjd0060 says. Alberon 09:39, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep per WP:HEY - Subject is a member of a notable band, Queens of the Stone Age, as established by multiple, independent reliable sources not limited to Kerrang!, Metal Hammer, Yahoo Music and Drowned in Sound; see Hutch (sound engineer) for verification. If these sources establish subject as a member of Queens of the Stone Age, the subject is sufficiently notable for inclusion, and the content is sufficiently comprehensive to merit a separate article from the main band article. Skomorokh  incite 11:54, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge then delete to Queens of the Stone Age. There really isn't a need for a separate article - Pump  me  up  20:09, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Have you read the Queens of the Stone Age article? It contains very little in the way of biographical information about the contributors. The vast majority of content of the Hutch (sound engineer) article is reliably sourced biographical information that would be out of place in the already too long Queens of the Stone Age article. Could you please explain your rationale? Skomorokh  incite 20:17, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
 * comment - some things came to mind when I read this post.
 * (1) Hutch isn't even listed in the main article as a "band member", except in the infobox. Outside of there, he's mentioned twice.
 * (2) You refer to WP:SIZE, but according to that essay, this QOTSA article isn't even remotely too long. For example, Russia is a much huger article, with justified breakouts by category. The QOTSA article could be quite a bit longer - and if the added content was as thoroughly and professionally sourced as the main article, I think it'd make the main article even more impressive.
 * (3) WP:SIZE also asserts that "a relatively trivial fact may be appropriate in the context of the larger article, but inappropriate as the topic of an entire article in itself". Maybe some people feel that a typical band's sound engineer is too trivial a topic for a separate article? I guess that's up for debate - drawing an analogy with Hawkwind, there's an (unsourced) article on their dancer Stacia, but none on Del Dettmar who actually made noises that got recorded. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 14:39, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * withdraw by nom - I just went back to look at Hutch (sound engineer), and the recent upgrades and sourcing by Skomorokh have tremendously improved the article. It's now better-sourced than 90% of our music articles, and I think the NME source in particular establishes more notability than what we usually get. Admin please withdraw this AfD (unless someone else feels it should continue). AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 14:50, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


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