Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Huvrat ehl echeik


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. This can be undeleted if suitable sources can be found. — Mr. Stradivarius  (have a chat) 08:31, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Huvrat ehl echeik

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I'm not sure about this one, but I can't find any reliable sources to establish the existence of, or any information about, this settlement. An editor keeps reduplicating the article at various romanizations of the Arabic name, with no sources and with a number of "facts" about this supposed place that are belied by the sources cited and are unverifiable in any sources that I can find. The place is named—as Houvratt ehl echeikh and other variations of the name—on some Panoramio pages of photographs, but I can't find any reliable sources, independent of WP itself, that would allow the article to satisfy WP:V, nor can I find the place labeled on any online maps. The place may in fact exist; but without sources, there's no way to determine anything that would allow one to write a credible article about it. See also WP:ANI Deor (talk) 19:34, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Someone on ANI pointed out . The Google satellite photo does show a bunch of spread-out houses there, consistent with the pictures on the ground. No idea what the name is. There is an article on it in the Arabic Wikipedia, FWTW. Tijfo098 (talk) 20:00, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I mentioned the Panoramio photographs in my nomination. But they aren't reliable sources of information about a location, are they? And as I pointed out at ANI, the Arabic WP article was created by the same editor that's been posting multiple articles here. Deor (talk) 20:07, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * There is also a google satellite photo at that location. Except for not showing a name, it is reliable, I think. Tijfo098 (talk) 20:24, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * If the content of the article such as this one consists almost entirely of the name and location, and we cannot even verify the name, that seems highly problematic all around. we have evidence of a cluster of houses, and thats about it.-- The Red Pen of Doom  20:40, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Gooing to google maps and shifting the view a bit (the coords in this wiki article are off to the east), I found more pictures The place is apparently also know as "EL houvra". Tijfo098 (talk) 20:43, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The buildings seem to be just outlying buildings of Guerou. Mapping in this part of Africa is extremely poor; the Google satellite view is reliable but no map overlay (ie. placenames, roads) should be trusted as a basis for an encyclopædia article and they certainly don't demonstrate notability. I would go so far as to say that the Panoramio photos were probably created by the same person who wrote the article under discussion here (compare the photo timestamps to the editor's contribs). bobrayner (talk) 20:52, 30 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. I see no evidence that this place passes the WP:GNG or that there is any way to build it into an encyclopaedia article. To do that, we need sources. bobrayner (talk) 20:47, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * On Wikimapia the place is listed as حفرت أهل الشيـــــــــــــــخ  (Coordinates: 16°49'21"N   11°46'47"W) and is distinct from the Guerou town. Tijfo098 (talk) 20:53, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes; somebody on the internet has marked off a square kilometre of scrub to the east of Guerou and called it حفرت أهل الشيـــــــــــــــخ (rather than حفرة أهل الشيـــــــــــــــخ). Somebody who last logged into wikimapia at a time when محمد1992 was editing here. bobrayner (talk) 21:02, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Look, this will be my last comment, as I'm not really trying to press a deletion here (other than because there are no sources), but that marking of the supposed place on Wikimapia was definitely not there yesterday. Make of that what you will. Deor (talk) 22:05, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

I think you're mistaken about who edited Wikimapia on that. It was a month ago, not a day ago. And it was edited by "wolfg"

User level: 	6 Experience points: 	1120756 (next level on 1500000) Rank: 	277 Real name: 	Wolfgang Sex: 	male Spoken language(s): 	French, English, German About: 	An other time you found here only my love letter "remember wad ad dahab", but I will add: Please send me a message if I was wrong! S'il vous plaît envoyez-moi un message si je me trompais! المرجو ترك رسالتكم إذا كنت مخطئا! Registered since 	May 29, 2011

Make of that what you will. He doesn't look to me like the uncommunicative and clumsy Wikipedia editor who started this stub. Tijfo098 (talk) 22:15, 30 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete. After looking at the wikimapia satellite photos (which are of much higher quality than google's in this case), I think Bobrayner is correct. There are (unnamed) clumps of houses from this alleged village all the way to the Guerou town proper. It's probable that the town has expanded eastward along the N3 road, in more or less haphazard fashion. It's entirely possible that the name is used by the locals (two different panoramino users posted similar names for their pictures), but I have doubts this is officially a village in Mauritania. Tijfo098 (talk) 21:06, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Apparently "El Houvra" is a common enough name for a banlieue in Mauritania. There is another one with same name in Chinguetti . Tijfo098 (talk) 21:25, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Africa-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 20:59, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
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